[VR-Tech]

I use to own the first gen M2 and sold it and got a pearl white Alfa 4c. Honestly, the Alfa is the better driving car for me. The one gripe with the Alfa is the top end performance. Owned a first gen M4 and loved the power but way too big.

I am very interested on the new M2 Comp and I am wondering what are the 'real' performance numbers from users oppose to BMW marketing.

Anyone with data on this?

Thanks

[jdub486]

Sounds like road and track just tested it at 3.9 seconds 0-60 and 12.2 1/4 mile @ at 115mph.

[BAN_M2C]

Originally Posted by jdub486

Sounds like road and track just tested it at 3.9 seconds 0-60 and 12.2 1/4 mile @ at 115mph.

Links?

[amrk47]

Originally Posted by jdub486

Sounds like road and track just tested it at 3.9 seconds 0-60 and 12.2 1/4 mile @ at 115mph.

those are very good straight up numbers, probably dct, the M2C track numbers are poor though, it cant turn, too heavy, pig, etc

[hellrotm]

^
There 25+ reviews that say the complete opposite about handling and chassis dynamics. M2C runs ring with the M4, which is where it should be. M2C enhancements gained 9 sec for Sportauto at the Ring over the base M2. BMW designed and priced it to slot in between the M4 and M2. No real surprise. I suspect larger tracks where the S55 can stretch it legs, the M2C will be quicker. Short/tight tracks the M2C and M2 won't have much distant between them. Case in point the M2 beating the M4 at Streets of Willow in the MT test.

[jdub486]

I don’t have a link but apparently it’s in the current issue of Road and Track. The 3.9 second 0-60 is quite good as is the 12.2 quarter and quicker than the bmw estimate. If these numbers are true I am led to believe the m2c is making more than 405 crank horsepower.

I think it’s clear the m2c will need some additional massaging to please many. Step 1 is the tires- they are dated and a bit undersized probably to keep big brother m4 happy. I think upsized ps4s or cup 2’s with lighter wheels will be the first mod for many. The fact that the new 788m wheel set is so heavy is a big let down. Step 2 re-tune the de-tune to restore the power above 5k which appears to be where most of the de-tuning is. S55 will make 405-600 horsepower on stock turbos- pick your power and risk level.

Overall the platform has a ton of potential and represents a good value in the euro scene, but falls short in terms of bang for your buck compared to some of the incredible recent work from GM that comes in at an excellent price point.

[D22M2]

Originally Posted by jdub486

Sounds like road and track just tested it at 3.9 seconds 0-60 and 12.2 1/4 mile @ at 115mph.

* on the M2c R&T time

“due to tire issue during testing, M2c times are estimated“

[jdub486]

Intersting. What was the tire issue? Maybe they estimated the time based on running next to the camaro?

[VR-Tech]

Originally Posted by amrk47

those are very good straight up numbers, probably dct, the M2C track numbers are poor though, it cant turn, too heavy, pig, etc

thats weird, since it sports the M4 suspension.

I wander how does it compare to the 718 Cayman s or GTS

[VR-Tech]

Originally Posted by hellrotm

^
There 25+ reviews that say the complete opposite about handling and chassis dynamics. M2C runs ring with the M4, which is where it should be. M2C enhancements gained 9 sec for Sportauto at the Ring over the base M2. BMW designed and priced it to slot in between the M4 and M2. No real surprise. I suspect larger tracks where the S55 can stretch it legs, the M2C will be quicker. Short/tight tracks the M2C and M2 won't have much distant between them. Case in point the M2 beating the M4 at Streets of Willow in the MT test.

I ander how the nes 6 piston breaks does compared to the old M2. First gen were just adequate

[MrOhnoez]

Originally Posted by VR-Tech

thats weird, since it sports the M4 suspension.

I wander how does it compare to the 718 Cayman s or GTS

I haven't driven an M2C yet
but I get to drive 718s daily
The 718 is a nearly perfect car in every way.
Price obviously not, it's expensive to get the car performance wise where i want it, the car needs certain options to turn it into what Journalist rave about
Sports chrono, Pasm, Sports exhaust, and PTV.
The car even in base form is legit a WONDERFUL car.
tech wise, it just isn't there the infotainment is functional but not really anything but good for the basics...
Sound system sucks base and bose both suck bad.
But the drive, the steering is amazing, the torque and power delivery, amazing IN THE S models. base model I hate it. I hate everything about the base engine.
but god damn the sound is so horrific and people whine about the S55 sound. The 718 sounds like an angry subaru with the loudest injectors/ piston slap you've ever heard. At speed it just sounds so foreign nothing I'd expect to hear from a porsche, It doesn't sound like the lovely aircooled flat 4s from the days of old, it simply sounds like an angry subaru.
The sound is so horrific I could NEVER own one, Even if i could get a Cayman GTS for the same price as a M2C I wouldn't do it.
But everything else drive wise it's the perfect car, neutral handling with slight oversteer at the limits, excellent driver feedback, wondeful power delivery in the S engines. But god damn porsche has to do something with the sound...

But there is just certain things BMWs can do that always impress me.
I LOVE being able to brake mid corner without upsetting the car, coming out of VWs where a mid corner brake would love to swing the tail end out and then you had to get back on that power quick to correct it. The pedal feel and locations of BMWs are just wonderful. Now maybe it's just me being the "genius" at a dealer i LOVE the BMW infotainment system. the voice commands are the best in the business no doubt from what I've encountered. The every day driveability is wonderful. My dad had a 911 that we got more angry looks in and rude comments than anything he's ever drive. Really a shame but a black debadged BMW is just another....BMW sure let the generic comments of "turn signals" come but the only people that recognize an "M" car are typically car guys. But a Porsche logo to many people instantly means rich douche bag in my area and they treat you like crap.

[Oxymoron]

Have to agree on the infotainment and voice commands. It still isn't perfect in my M2 (I drive 6) but it is world's ahead of every other car I've driven. Including the latest from Merc and Audi. Ford's Sync 3 is probably the closest I've experienced surprisingly

[VR-Tech]

Originally Posted by MrOhnoez

I haven't driven an M2C yet
but I get to drive 718s daily
The 718 is a nearly perfect car in every way.
Price obviously not, it's expensive to get the car performance wise where i want it, the car needs certain options to turn it into what Journalist rave about
Sports chrono, Pasm, Sports exhaust, and PTV.
The car even in base form is legit a WONDERFUL car.
tech wise, it just isn't there the infotainment is functional but not really anything but good for the basics...
Sound system sucks base and bose both suck bad.
But the drive, the steering is amazing, the torque and power delivery, amazing IN THE S models. base model I hate it. I hate everything about the base engine.
but god damn the sound is so horrific and people whine about the S55 sound. The 718 sounds like an angry subaru with the loudest injectors/ piston slap you've ever heard. At speed it just sounds so foreign nothing I'd expect to hear from a porsche, It doesn't sound like the lovely aircooled flat 4s from the days of old, it simply sounds like an angry subaru.
The sound is so horrific I could NEVER own one, Even if i could get a Cayman GTS for the same price as a M2C I wouldn't do it.
But everything else drive wise it's the perfect car, neutral handling with slight oversteer at the limits, excellent driver feedback, wondeful power delivery in the S engines. But god damn porsche has to do something with the sound...

But there is just certain things BMWs can do that always impress me.
I LOVE being able to brake mid corner without upsetting the car, coming out of VWs where a mid corner brake would love to swing the tail end out and then you had to get back on that power quick to correct it. The pedal feel and locations of BMWs are just wonderful. Now maybe it's just me being the "genius" at a dealer i LOVE the BMW infotainment system. the voice commands are the best in the business no doubt from what I've encountered. The every day driveability is wonderful. My dad had a 911 that we got more angry looks in and rude comments than anything he's ever drive. Really a shame but a black debadged BMW is just another....BMW sure let the generic comments of "turn signals" come but the only people that recognize an "M" car are typically car guys. But a Porsche logo to many people instantly means rich douche bag in my area and they treat you like crap.

Yeas, the sound is not pleasant. The Alfa 4c 4 cylinders actually sounds great

[Davil]

Originally Posted by VR-Tech

Yeas, the sound is not pleasant. The Alfa 4c 4 cylinders actually sounds great

It does sound good. My brother has the same exact engine in the hatchback model. It somehow has a really nice induction noise. Overall it's a nice car. So bloody quirky though. But if you want a hatchback then I think it's the pick of the crop.

The M2C in comparison is like an interplanetary spaceship.

[heli_ben]

Why are people obsessed with lap times of a car with air con, electric seats and leather... it's a comfortable, every day, medium performance car...

I have a Caterham for track days, which blows off any road car you choose (over 500bhp/ton, sequential gearbox, race suspension and slicks).

The M2C is not a good track car, and it was never designed to be.

[scflaw]

Originally Posted by heli_ben

Why are people obsessed with lap times of a car with air con, electric seats and leather... it's a comfortable, every day, medium performance car...

I have a Caterham for track days, which blows off any road car you choose (over 500bhp/ton, sequential gearbox, race suspension and slicks).

The M2C is not a good track car, and it was never designed to be.

Probably cause most people can’t afford a second dedicated track car due to various reasons different to each individual.

[heli_ben]

Originally Posted by scflaw

Probably cause most people can’t afford a second dedicated track car due to various reasons different to each individual.

So the problem is with peoples expectation, not the M2C.

My basic point.

[Davil]

Originally Posted by heli_ben

Why are people obsessed with lap times of a car with air con, electric seats and leather... it's a comfortable, every day, medium performance car...

I have a Caterham for track days, which blows off any road car you choose (over 500bhp/ton, sequential gearbox, race suspension and slicks).

The M2C is not a good track car, and it was never designed to be.

What is a good track car? Is it about competitive times or enjoyment? They are often mutually exclusive. Chasing competitive times is rarely a path to enjoyment. It’s often an unhealthy obsession. Unless it is your job. A good track car for the average person is one that lets you go out, learn and most of all put a massive grin on your face.

[heli_ben]

Originally Posted by Davil

What is a good track car? Is it about competitive times or enjoyment? They are often mutually exclusive. Chasing competitive times is rarely a path to enjoyment. It’s often an unhealthy obsession. Unless it is your job. A good track car for the average person is one that lets you go out, learn and most of all put a massive grin on your face.

You are absolutely right.

My Caterham is all about fun, it's also pretty fast...

An M2C will just understeer too much, eat tyres & brake pads if you're going quick and be passed by anything track focussed.

[Robin_NL]

Originally Posted by Davil

What is a good track car? Is it about competitive times or enjoyment? They are often mutually exclusive. Chasing competitive times is rarely a path to enjoyment. It’s often an unhealthy obsession. Unless it is your job. A good track car for the average person is one that lets you go out, learn and most of all put a massive grin on your face.

This, I think Caterham 500/600 whatever are excellent sportscars, though they are also like a coffin on wheels...

It's so nice to get in your car at some sundaymorning put on the heater/aircon/music, drive to your favourite track, do a track/driftday and after that with most excitement in your body drive back home in the same car, music on. This is what you can do with 1M/M2/M2C etcetera.

It's probably not the fastest(but certainly not the slowest) trackcar, but it's capable enough and goes fast enough plus sideways.
And 'fast' is also heavily depending on the driver off course.

What more do you(I) want?

Cheers
Robin

[Robin_NL]

And if an M2C understeers too much, you're doing something wrong:
Basics are slow in----> fast out.

Cheers
Robin

[heli_ben]

Originally Posted by Robin_NL

This, I think Caterham 500/600 whatever are excellent sportscars, though they are also like a coffin on wheels...

It's so nice to get in your car at some sundaymorning put on the heater/aircon/music, drive to your favourite track, do a track/driftday and after that with most excitement in your body drive back home in the same car, music on. This is what you can do with 1M/M2/M2C etcetera.

It's probably not the fastest(but certainly not the slowest) trackcar, but it's capable enough and goes fast enough plus sideways.
And 'fast' is also heavily depending on the driver off course.

What more do you(I) want?

Cheers
Robin

Yup bang on, Caterhams are pretty strong in an incident though (mine has full motorsport cage)... the fact thy are, pretty much, the most raced car on the planet helps test their safety.

The worst bit for me is getting the Caterham in and out of my race transporter... I tow it with a Range Rover, and after day on track the soft heated seats and relaxed ride are very welcome!