[heli_ben]

Originally Posted by Robin_NL

And if an M2C understeers too much, you're doing something wrong:
Basics are slow in----> fast out.

Cheers
Robin

That's just not right.

[FSU_Logan]

Originally Posted by heli_ben

Yup bang on, Caterhams are pretty strong in an incident though (mine has full motorsport cage)... the fact thy are, pretty much, the most raced car on the planet helps test their safety.

The worst bit for me is getting the Caterham in and out of my race transporter... I tow it with a Range Rover, and after day on track the soft heated seats and relaxed ride are very welcome!

Your posts are comical

[heli_ben]

Originally Posted by FSU_Logan

Your posts are comical

Why's that?

[Robin_NL]

Originally Posted by heli_ben

That's just not right.

Oh yes it is

Cheers
Robin

[heli_ben]

Originally Posted by Robin_NL

Oh yes it is

Cheers
Robin

I disagree.

The right answer is to set the car up not to understeer.

"Living with" understeer by reducing corner entry and apex speed just increases lap time.

[Robin_NL]

Originally Posted by heli_ben

I disagree.

The right answer is to set the car up not to understeer.

"Living with" understeer by reducing corner entry and apex speed just increases lap time.

We're probably saying the same thing: But slow in fast out is the basic way to go and you know that. All relative to the car.

And understeer increases laptimes..

Have you driven 1M/M2/M2C on track?
If you treat them like a Caterham you get understeer.
So you brake earlier and go in less fast(off course) than Caterham. I can go on and plough in whatever with an F40, GT3(understeer built in) but it does not work.

Cheers
Robin

[heli_ben]

Originally Posted by Robin_NL

We're probably saying the same thing: But slow in fast out is the basic way to go and you know that. All relative to the car.

And understeer increases laptimes..

Have you driven 1M/M2/M2C on track?
If you treat them like a Caterham you get understeer.
So you brake earlier and go in less fast(off course) than Caterham. I can go on and plough in whatever with an F40, GT3(understeer built in) but it does not work.

Cheers
Robin

Agreed, basically road cars are setup to be "safe" which always means a bias to understeer, which is inherently slower on track.

I've not driven an Manything on track, and likely never will, as I see them as fast road cars (for which they are awesome).

My Caterham runs a geometry setup that not ideal for tyre wear, and not ideal for road conditions, but is excellent on track... very little understeer, unless you made a mistake.

I guess one day we'll have "variable geometry" on cars to switch them between track / road config... which would be cool, as long as it's not too heavy!

[VIERsr]

Understeer on the road with the M2C? Seriously? Maybe you are driving too fast, man! If the M2C understeers, then 99% of the road cars are undriveable.

[heli_ben]

Originally Posted by _RS4_

Understeer on the road with the M2C? Seriously? Maybe you are driving too fast, man! If the M2C understeers, then 99% of the road cars are undriveable.

Not on road, on track. :-)

I agree, if you're getting understeer in an M2C on the road... you're going to be seeing a policeman or tree up close pretty soon.

[Cavpilot2k]

IN an effort to get this thread back on track...

Someone mentioned R&T 0-60 time of 3.9.
That's probably true, but bear in mind that (IIRC) R&T's standard practice for 0-60 is from a 2 foot rolling start, not from a standstill. That's why they always seem to produce better numbers than manufacturers.

[CSBM5]

Originally Posted by Cavpilot2k

IN an effort to get this thread back on track...

Someone mentioned R&T 0-60 time of 3.9.
That's probably true, but bear in mind that (IIRC) R&T's standard practice for 0-60 is from a 2 foot rolling start, not from a standstill. That's why they always seem to produce better numbers than manufacturers.

Most car magazines and others use the standard 12" of rollout, not two feet. This equates to the standard shallow stage at the dragstrip where you just trigger stage light. 12" of rollout can equate to ~0.2 sec or a tad more of elapsed time. It allows comparison to dragstrip data going back many, many decades which is the only reason I can think of that rollout is used in measured data.

[Cavpilot2k]

Originally Posted by CSBM5

Most car magazines and others use the standard 12" of rollout, not two feet. This equates to the standard shallow stage at the dragstrip where you just trigger stage light. 12" of rollout can equate to ~0.2 sec or a tad more of elapsed time. It allows comparison to dragstrip data going back many, many decades which is the only reason I can think of that rollout is used in measured data.

You may be right. I was thinking it was 2', but it could be 12".

[CosmosMpower]

Originally Posted by heli_ben

Yup bang on, Caterhams are pretty strong in an incident though (mine has full motorsport cage)... the fact thy are, pretty much, the most raced car on the planet helps test their safety.

The worst bit for me is getting the Caterham in and out of my race transporter... I tow it with a Range Rover, and after day on track the soft heated seats and relaxed ride are very welcome!

I doubt Caterhams are more raced in the world than Miatas.

Also if you're going to do a dedicated track car that is towed with a truck and trailer why would you pick a Caterham? There are plenty of dedicated track cars that are faster with full aero (Stohr WF1, Radial SR8, Pro Formula Mazda) etc.

[mikeric]

Originally Posted by Cavpilot2k

You may be right. I was thinking it was 2', but it could be 12".

Meh, whats a few inches among friends

[FSU_Logan]

Originally Posted by CosmosMpower

I doubt Caterhams are more raced in the world than Miatas.

Also if you're going to do a dedicated track car that is towed with a truck and trailer why would you pick a Caterham? There are plenty of dedicated track cars that are faster with full aero (Stohr WF1, Radial SR8, Pro Formula Mazda) etc.

It's hilarious to just watch him try to flex Cosmos, I recommend just watching. Lol

[CosmosMpower]

Originally Posted by FSU_Logan

It's hilarious to just watch him try to flex Cosmos, I recommend just watching. Lol

Hard to look tough when you drive a car that looks like a dildo

[FSU_Logan]

Originally Posted by CosmosMpower

Hard to look tough when you drive a car that looks like a dildo

Man, you just made me spit my beer out.

[DieGrüneHölle]

Originally Posted by CosmosMpower

Hard to look tough when you drive a car that looks like a dildo

[bplewis24]

Originally Posted by Robin_NL

It's so nice to get in your car at some sundaymorning put on the heater/aircon/music, drive to your favourite track, do a track/driftday and after that with most excitement in your body drive back home in the same car, music on. This is what you can do with 1M/M2/M2C etcetera

That's what I'm planning to do with mine when I finally get it. I've already spotted the track I plan on driving to, and some performance driving classes to take (this will be my first time at the track). Maybe someday in the future I will care more about going fast, but for now I just want to have some fun and not wreck the car, and then cruise back home.

[heli_ben]

Originally Posted by CosmosMpower

Hard to look tough when you drive a car that looks like a dildo

I guess if all you ever think about is dildos... you start seeing them everywhere!

[Robin_NL]

LOL @ Dildos but anyway. The fastest street Caterham I can think of is about 2 secs faster @ Hockenheim Short than M2C.

TBH I thought 620R(this is a 620, not a 420/500) would be much faster(>5s or so)

Cheers
Robin

[.2pdk]

Originally Posted by heli_ben

I guess if all you ever think about is dildos... you start seeing them everywhere!

Ouchie poo...