[yousefnjr]

Originally Posted by Tyga11

No one wants BMW EV's. There's a reason you can lease an I4 for $300 a month. They can't get rid of them. This will flop like the C63s

It’s not just BMWs, but yes you can easily get 10-12% off MSRP on most BMW EVs. You can also get ~10% off most BMW gas cars too. 7500 lease credit (9900 on iX 50 iirc) for EVs certainly goes a long way to drop the price further, but again that’s not just a BMW thing. In any case this is a good thing for us, I’ll take one for peanuts and be very happy about it

[Aalfred]

Let me tell you from first hand experience, no one who wants an M car wants to drive it like a granny. These M BEV are a joke. Their batteries don’t last long and if you push the car they drain their charge like a leaking oil cooler guard. Despite what they say 300 miles on a full charge, you prob get 150 miles and if you account for a 20% reserve then you are getting about 120 miles on a charge. This is for a dual motor and if you want a quad motor, God help us with mileage. I’ve pushed my M like it’s supposed to be and still got an average of 21 miles on 20F weather and can count on a getting 280-300 miles on a tank. On a BEV I can’t even do half that speed without losing 50% of my charge and they change drastically between trips !!!. BMW needs to come up with a better battery tech before they push out these M BEV !!! That way you can drive an M like it’s supposed to be and not have range anxiety with every pedal push !!!

[///MPhatic]

Originally Posted by jmg

EV is the future...

I disagree. That's marketing. Hybrids are the future. ICE should have a viable place in the market for many years to come, but idiot politics will shorten it for sure. The EV infrastructure itself has a long way to go before it's truly viable for the general population. At that point I'll sit back and laugh at everyone that thought EV's would cause less pollution.

[spool twice]

Originally Posted by yousefnjr

It’s not just BMWs, but yes you can easily get 10-12% off MSRP on most BMW EVs. You can also get ~10% off most BMW gas cars too. 7500 lease credit (9900 on iX 50 iirc) for EVs certainly goes a long way to drop the price further, but again that’s not just a BMW thing. In any case this is a good thing for us, I’ll take one for peanuts and be very happy about it

Exactly, please please keep the discounts rolling, makes for a tremendous value �� but please naysayers, keep insulting it so those who see the value continue to reek advantage of it

[jmg]

Originally Posted by ///MPhatic

I disagree. That's marketing. Hybrids are the future. ICE should have a viable place in the market for many years to come, but idiot politics will shorten it for sure. The EV infrastructure itself has a long way to go before it's truly viable for the general population. At that point I'll sit back and laugh at everyone that thought EV's would cause less pollution.

Plug in Hybrids, to me at least, are the current best iteration of the modern transportation automobile (non-performance). The EV is the future, how far off into the future is the question. In the long run, it will cause less pollution simply because regulations won’t have to try and police every single EV on the road, but instead concentrate on energy resources and battery end-of-life procedures.

[Schn3ll]

Terrible. So this is how the M brand dies… this will sell dozens

[BimmerMan33]

Originally Posted by King_jason109

Ya maybe, but it’s not just speed, it’s heritage and driving dynamics that make these cars so good. An electric powertrain removes the connection the driver has with the car, and that’s lame asf. Why do you think so many people criticize new BMWs for having no steering feel since they switched to electric from hydraulic. Electric cars, especially sports cars, are not the future. This whole NEUE KLASSE thing is so disappointing and the reason I will only ever own E chassis cars. Literally yesterday I drove from KS to SC, 1100 miles, in my 06 e61 with 200k miles on it full of my stuff, and I did the trip in one day, 7:30 am-2:00am this morning; find me one electric car that can do that and I’ll rest my case, and even if you can, it will cost you 10x what my car did minimum. My regular commuter BMW with an n52 and an auto trans was still fun to drive in the mountains because I was connected to the car in every aspect, and that’s what gives cars their character. (Good slow cars > boring fast cars)

I agree, the E chassis cars in my opinion were the last BMWs to have the best balance of classic BMW handling, smooth N/A power while still having enough modern tech to make it safer/comfortable while still being decently reliable.
In the past 15 yrs I’ve always had an E chassis BMW in my garage (325,328,335is & e90,e92 M3).
Later BMWs are becoming heavier & with turbo power, the balance between power & handling is not as smooth, thereby necessitating stiffer bushings/suspension tuning which is fine for track use but makes it numb & harsh on the street.
That said, it’s clear that the future is electric, these will be even more capable but then how do you enjoy all that power on the street? Not everyone takes their car to the track often..
As for ICE tech, it’s becoming ever more efficient but also losing their soul/sound due to regulations, current ICE doesn’t sound even close to S54/S65/S85..
Newer generation M/BMW enthusiasts are seemingly open to electric cars, i4 has been a sales success, it’s wrong to say nobody wants electric cars, some people are being held back due to the rising prices & suboptimal charging infrastructure, but will surely transition to electric in due course of time.
I personally would not consider electric for my sporty car/sports car needs but am looking at Lucid Air for a daily driver.

[BimmerMan33]

Originally Posted by ChrisM4

You can’t be serious…

Look at the end to end lifecycle costs of EVs including extracting the raw materials/minerals out of the ground and the complete lack of unified standards/regulations for EV battery recycling.

Then consider their heavy weight, greatly increased wear on tires and brakes, added wear on roads. There is nothing environmentally friendly about them.

The lack of charging infrastructure, long charging times, and depreciation rates are strong negatives as well.

The previous Toyota CEO (Toyoda) had it right. For the materials in one EV he could build many small displacement hybrids and have much more benefit to the environment. (Orders of magnitude more)

This is just my personal opinion:
For some reason hybrids don’t seem right in a premium German car. These cars are for discerning drivers most of who would either have ICE or electric.
For Japanese economy cars, hybrids make all the sense as their customers are about efficient reliable transport & generally don’t worry about driving feel/character..

[DrFerry]

Every car maker suddenly wants to be Tesla.

[LuisBoston]

I’ll take one in Touring guise.

Thank you.

[m4bimmer7]

Dumb.

[techwhiz1]

Originally Posted by King_jason109

Ya maybe, but it’s not just speed, it’s heritage and driving dynamics that make these cars so good. An electric powertrain removes the connection the driver has with the car, and that’s lame asf. Why do you think so many people criticize new BMWs for having no steering feel since they switched to electric from hydraulic. Electric cars, especially sports cars, are not the future. This whole NEUE KLASSE thing is so disappointing and the reason I will only ever own E chassis cars. Literally yesterday I drove from KS to SC, 1100 miles, in my 06 e61 with 200k miles on it full of my stuff, and I did the trip in one day, 7:30 am-2:00am this morning; find me one electric car that can do that and I’ll rest my case, and even if you can, it will cost you 10x what my car did minimum. My regular commuter BMW with an n52 and an auto trans was still fun to drive in the mountains because I was connected to the car in every aspect, and that’s what gives cars their character. (Good slow cars > boring fast cars)

As someone that owned multiple M cars the steering is a by product of the pump and not the fact that it's an EV.

The F bodied 335 was the worse steering I've ever felt. My i4 M50 is sport mode in a magnitude better but not quite my E90.

The driving dynamics of my i4 is pretty good.
Low center of gravity and I actually cross shopped an M3 when I got my car and the i4 is a better daily driver.

I'm also not sure where you got 10x the cost from for your trip in an EV.

Also my i4 is not a boring fast car nor appliance. You mistake my i4 for a Tesla.

[Alan l.]

I'm just thrilled that the pig face look is short lived....

[techwhiz1]

Originally Posted by Tyga11

No one wants BMW EV's. There's a reason you can lease an I4 for $300 a month. They can't get rid of them. This will flop like the C63s

That's because the i4 you speak of is an eDrive35 which is the equivalent to a 420/430 and with a $7500 lease credit it's their entry level car.

Lots in inventory.

[techwhiz1]

Originally Posted by ChrisM4

You can’t be serious…

Look at the end to end lifecycle costs of EVs including extracting the raw materials/minerals out of the ground and the complete lack of unified standards/regulations for EV battery recycling.

Then consider their heavy weight, greatly increased wear on tires and brakes, added wear on roads. There is nothing environmentally friendly about them.

The lack of charging infrastructure, long charging times, and depreciation rates are strong negatives as well.

The previous Toyota CEO (Toyoda) had it right. For the materials in one EV he could build many small displacement hybrids and have much more benefit to the environment. (Orders of magnitude more)

My Pirellis lasted 16k miles on my i4 just like on an M3.

Brakes? Due to Regen brakes last 2x as long as an ICE car.

You don't speak from experience.
Charging infrastructure is an issue in some places, but not all. If you charge at home, overnight is fine.

More than 95% of people never drive 200 miles a day.

I speak from experience.
We have owned 5 EVs and a hybrid.
3 EVs are in my driveway.

[King_jason109]

Originally Posted by techwhiz1

As someone that owned multiple M cars the steering is a by product of the pump and not the fact that it's an EV.

The F bodied 335 was the worse steering I've ever felt. My i4 M50 is sport mode in a magnitude better but not quite my E90.

The driving dynamics of my i4 is pretty good.
Low center of gravity and I actually cross shopped an M3 when I got my car and the i4 is a better daily driver.

I'm also not sure where you got 10x the cost from for your trip in an EV.

Also my i4 is not a boring fast car nor appliance. You mistake my i4 for a Tesla.

I understand, the price is from buying the car, mine was $4900 😭, I’m saying you couldn’t do that trip in an ev for close to that money. Also you should have bought the m3.

[King_jason109]

Originally Posted by BimmerMan33

I agree, the E chassis cars in my opinion were the last BMWs to have the best balance of classic BMW handling, smooth N/A power while still having enough modern tech to make it safer/comfortable while still being decently reliable.
In the past 15 yrs I’ve always had an E chassis BMW in my garage (325,328,335is & e90,e92 M3).
Later BMWs are becoming heavier & with turbo power, the balance between power & handling is not as smooth, thereby necessitating stiffer bushings/suspension tuning which is fine for track use but makes it numb & harsh on the street.
That said, it’s clear that the future is electric, these will be even more capable but then how do you enjoy all that power on the street? Not everyone takes their car to the track often..
As for ICE tech, it’s becoming ever more efficient but also losing their soul/sound due to regulations, current ICE doesn’t sound even close to S54/S65/S85..
Newer generation M/BMW enthusiasts are seemingly open to electric cars, i4 has been a sales success, it’s wrong to say nobody wants electric cars, some people are being held back due to the rising prices & suboptimal charging infrastructure, but will surely transition to electric in due course of time.
I personally would not consider electric for my sporty car/sports car needs but am looking at Lucid Air for a daily driver.

The reasons that ICE cars are becoming seemingly worse in some aspect is the governments fault. That being said, I still dont think EV is the future due to how unethically some of the main materials are gathered, repair and maintainence costs, and lifespan of the vehicle. I definately don’t think it’s BMWs future, especially not for the M cars.

[VR1]

The G series cars are so numb/disengaging to drive that I think a full EV actually makes sense. Not like those cars had much of a soul anyways

I drove an i4 and it was probably one of the most appliancey, characterless and boring cars I’ve ever driven. But I’ve also spent 48 hours with a G80 M3 and it’s not like that was the most interesting car to drive either. Pretty characterless/numb to drive below the limit. So not sure how much is really lost here - cars focused on driver engagement and the driving experience have already been dead.

[Erebor]

This thread is a blast to read. The salty ICE "enthusiasts" claiming to know what all the ppl want and a true M car could never be EV, and the EV canucks trying to argue against it, as if that would remove there tinfoil hat.

Ulitmately, the future is neither pure ICE nor pure EV. The future is to have a choice on what suits best and choose accordingly.
For me personally, my next car won't be an ICE.

[lethbridge]

The good news is it now can’t have the front end of an M4… That just never grew on me at all so I opted out - still happy with my F80 but it will need replacing due mileage… It will be interesting to see the finalised front end design as it will need the ICE to breath… and I can’t believe the rear will be as generic as initial speculation suggests… but then I remember thinking that they surely can’t do that to the front of the G80… but they did…

[TEGRITY]

Lowering springs to the rescue and rest seems pretty alright. Nothing glaring on the face like any of their recent M model designs. Rear end looks a bit like the older generation Subaru liberty but maybe just the camo.

Will it live up to M lineage of the past or start a new order, only time will tell.

[Quadruple VANOS]

Interested to learn how they’re going to design it so it doesn’t depreciate at 3x the rate of an ICE M3.