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Definitely will | 271 | 37.28% | |
Most likely will | 124 | 17.06% | |
Possibly will | 185 | 25.45% | |
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01-08-2016, 10:13 AM | #375 | |
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Their success was based on making the "Ultimate Driving Machine", and they have been chipping away at that for a few years now. Their cars are more bloated, they will be selling FWD vehicles now, their suspensions have been softened, electric steering, whoring out the M badge, etc. At some point the competitive edge they had that gave them all the success goes away, making a BMW no different than any other luxury marque. Last edited by Iron Man; 01-08-2016 at 10:36 AM.. |
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01-08-2016, 10:13 AM | #376 |
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Of course for those of us with the bigger BMWs, X5, 5, 6 & 7 series, the biggest expense during early ownership is tire replacement. Which comes a lot sooner and a lot more often than for other cars. Or so it seems.
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To the people saying, blah blah 50,000 car and you can't pay for the maintenance should go buy a corolla. You're right when it comes to those little things. But brakes, clutch and belts are a little different story. Can't pay versus Don't want to pay are 2 different things. I do have a toyota and laughed when the sales guy touted the "2yr/Free maintenance" plan. WOW, thanks for the 2 free oil changes (had it for 16 months) SO glad it has free maintenance. What value. But I'll take it!
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01-08-2016, 10:29 AM | #379 | |
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A manual transmission can be set to "comfort", "sport", and "track" modes simply by the technique and speed at which you shift it; it doesn't need "modes", modes are for manumatics that try to behave like a real 3-pedal manual transmission. If you can money-shift it, it's a manual transmission. "Yeah, but NO ONE puts an automatic trans shift knob on a manual transmission."
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01-08-2016, 10:39 AM | #380 |
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Not good news. I'm not going to say I'll never buy a bmw again, but I'll be significantly less likely to do so starting with the 2017 models.
Brakes have been sub par on 2 of the cars I've bought. So if I have to do pads and rotors all around, that's about 2k extra in cost. Not to mention the peace of mind of not having to worry. And the constantly increasing prices of BMWs, even though the Euro is at a multi year low with the USD. And don't forget they are changing the discount on euro delivery from 7% to 5%. So the euro is 35% stronger, and the same car purchased in 2017 will probably cost me 5k more total than it did last year. I'm likely to stay with Porsche and do their ED program going forward. Even though it has no discount, their GT cars hold value better than M cars. Sorry but an M4 isn't worth 80k to me. They won't sell as many. Now I see why the smart money is flowing towards collectible M cars. At least with those you expect to pay these costs going in. I voted 'most likely will'. |
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01-08-2016, 10:51 AM | #382 | |
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People in this thread and just bitching since they want their cake and eat it too. They all act like other manufacturers offer as generous a free maintenance package so they can just go elsewhere for free maintenance, but you can't. |
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01-08-2016, 10:58 AM | #383 | |
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BMW is not infallible. If this backfires they will make adjustments. What BMW has done with this maintenance change is not comparable. Coke replaced a loved product with a new one. BMW's physical product is not changing. This maintenance policy change that adds up way less than 1% of the total cost of ownership of the car;M owners results may be different. BMW has always gone their own way. They are not know for seeking customer input. They figure out what they want to do and they do it, regardless of feedback. If they are wrong on this maintenance change, they will adjust. I'm saying they did not go into this blindly. They knew there would be push back. If that push back affects unit sales, they will adjust. Since their competition does not offer a better deal, the reality is they probably won't have to do that. |
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You can however get other 3rd party warranty coverage but I wouldn't even dare, already did plenty of research there as well...
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Generally speaking it is not a big deal as the maintenance plan is low on my critical to quality issues for purchase decisions for performance cars. However for SUVs it is nice to have peace of mind on the maintenance plan and to have the full scope of them covering everything. I don't abuse the system and my dealer is very good at taking care of my car(s). I wouldn't hate if we were offered full scope but reduce the time to three instead of four.
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Everyone in this thread saying "don't be so cheap," "go buy a Corolla," "I'm leasing, what do I care beyond 36k?" or calling this maintenane program "FREE," I will say it one more time, YOU HAVE ALREADY PAID FOR IT! It's not "free." You really think BMW is going to give you anything for free?
I am surprised at how many people actually lease too. There is a reason that financial advisers like Clark Howard and Dave Ramsey call it a "Flease!" A small percentage of BMW leases are business right-offs, so the "if you can't afford wipers go buy something cheaper" argument is glaring right back at all the leased BMW drivers. If you don't have the money to buy the car with cash then you probably can't afford it either. Nobody ever got rich by saying I'm OK with getting less for my money and that is exactly what is happening in 2017. A fool and his money are soon parted.
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I did that with my first car and was all onboard with owning a car until the wheels fall off. I'd rather lease and not deal with the end of life slew of unexpected repairs and accidents. It all depends on your preference. Besides, Dave Ramsey is the guy who famously said this: Quote:
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These are routine maintenance items. Oil change and filter costs don't change in the 4th year of ownership.
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My lease will be up in 2017 and this really makes me want to consider other companies. Worry free maintenance was the thing that put BMW over the others for me...now it's a level playing field. Also, I kept telling my family and friends..."you should get a BMW...you only pay for tires and gas!". Can't say that now so won't bother even bringing it up.
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All the "enthusiasts" here and on other BMW forums chastise anyone that doesn't option out their BMW the proper way; but BMW trims back the maintenance program, and they are done with the brand? That was the thing holding everyone to the BMW brand--a year of maintenance and free wiperblades and brake pads??? Cry me a river.... I wish there was as much outrage about BMW making HID/LED headlights, back up cameras, blind spot monitoring, fully functional Bluetooth, etc., extra cost options. Again, the enthusiast crowd jumps down people's throats when this is raised--"That's not why you buy a BMW!" "Go buy an Accord with all those things if that's what's important!" Is it customer unfriendly? Absolutely. But that's really about it.... I think Volvos have a pretty comprehensive service program..... /ENDRANT Last edited by tex2670; 01-08-2016 at 02:35 PM.. |
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