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I would also prefer the I6 over a 4cyl engine but it sounds like they want the car to have the lighter 4cyl engine.How much of a weight saving would there be with the 4cyl engine?
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AMG already have a 4c with over 350hp and Audi S3 is rumor to produce another tune 4c with 360ish hp (words on the streets). BMW will follow this trend, I bet my ass on it lol
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01-24-2014, 10:46 AM | #223 |
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well Audi must have gotten wind of BMW wanting to make the best i4 car out there and since their RS3 will be a 5 cyl they decided to make the S3PLUS
if it seriously gets 375 hP and ~365 torque with that low weight and since its AUDI it will have AWD, that is going to be a mad performance car. Don't think the M2 will be able to compete with it or the RS3. If the M2 gets that same HP and torque it is going to be stealing sales from the M4 for sure. Who wouldn't want to save $15K and have similar performance? I figured the M2 would get 350 HP and 340 torque. I guess they can sell it as the only true COUPE with that much power... |
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01-24-2014, 03:27 PM | #225 |
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True, but it will be interesting to see how they will minimize the lag that is present in those other cars. Maybe they will bump up the displacement to 2.2-2.5L or use that pulse charging technology to keep the turbo spooled.
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Does anyone happen to know the official weight figures for the N54, N55, and N20? Plenty of reviewers have remarked that the 328i has better balance and handling because of two factors 1) the N20 is lighter than the N55, and 2) the N20 is shorter, thus putting the weight further back in the vehicle, and closer to the center resulting in a lower polar moment of inertia.
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But then how do we get the weight reduction? And if it is established.... won't they just put it into the M4 instead of the M2? You get my point right? Or would that mean we'd have to solve the V8 weight problem so that the M4 would get the V8 and then the M2 would get the I6?
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I only see the M2 getting a 4 instead of a 6 cylinder engine as marketing, it will be the smallest M car in the lineup so just a 4 cylinder engine. And performancewise an I6 could destroy the M3/M4. We all know too, BMW is getting greener and greener because of governmental and political lies.. er...treaties (that's not BMWs fault to begin with, they are forced just like the other manufacturers, but I don't like it at all) so a small 4 pot 'more mpg' car can come in very handy as well Cheers Robin |
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01-25-2014, 04:29 PM | #232 |
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It won't drive like an M car
You can't defeat physics, a 4 pot with the required boost to produce the required 350 plus HP will drive like shit, have crap throttle response and horrible turbo lag.. Go drive the CLA 45 for a preview of what BMW is making us wait two years for .. No thanks, I have moved on .. F the M2 |
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BMW M knows exactly how the CLA drives as I have posted my own impressions after a long drive. So they are not going to make the same mistake.
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There is only so much that can be done with 2 liters and 4 cylinders. I don't believe in magic. You may be able to produce the power, but you will never produce the drivability, throttle response nor will you ever overcome the hideous turbo lag of said tiny 2 liter engine. Let's not even talk sound ... |
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How many of the check boxes for engine characteristics will the hit, miss or exceed and by how much only time ( 2 years ) will tell. And of that score sheet, only time will tell what the Masses accept.
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For the M235i in US: "Weight distribution, front/rear – Manual Transmission 51.9/48.1%" - That's good enough for a street car for me. Yes, the 228 is 50/50%, it's only 45 lbs lighter. Maybe the M2 will come with manual seats, less sound deadening and drop that front ratio down by .25% - maybe a thinner bonnet, etc. I sound like a muscle car enthusiast, but color me stereotypical if I simply don't enjoy cars with small power plants. Last edited by bitcore; 01-26-2014 at 12:11 PM.. |
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I'd say Audi is currently the most unique with that 5-pot turbo. That is one hell of an engine.....and from everything i know, Audi is planning to INCREASE the 5-cylinder usage in their lineup. That's properly exciting news for enthusiasts.... |
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Bmw is late but if they can put out a 360hp 4C with rwd and great handling...hmmm
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BMW M. Have a new philosophy and a new understanding of extensive engineering and weight reduction in an entirely cost effective direction. The six cylinder in the M3 and M4 conforms to weight reduction as does the M2 with a four cylinder.
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