[Vivek.]

Originally Posted by JP10

Figured I'd throw another update on because FML, just put the down payment, driving home from work, an boom think my clutch just went out in my m3... lmao. Well off to the other section of the forum to research..

Update on this? Most likely one of the hydraulic cylinders rather than the clutch itself. Clutch will slip forever before it truly gives out.

Originally Posted by keg97

I'm with you- this is a mass market KIA. I'd have problems paying MSRP for it...much less 5K over. But I'm of the generation who grew up with Kia was the modern version of Yugo.

One of my buddies in college had a 2008 (sub 10 yrs old at the time) Kia. The thing was more dated inside and out than an 80's bmw. 12 years ago they were 3 decades behind the competition so I fully agree seeing them selling 42k cars for 47k is insane to me.

[Mosaud1998]

I used to work at a Kia dealership. Customers were actually willing to pay $5k-$7k markups on the SX-P Tellurides. The LX Tellurides had a $2-$3k markup. Same with the S. I think the EX and SX had a $4k-$5k markup and the SX-P had a $6k-$7k markup (depending on the dealership) There's no way in hell I am paying 60K for a damn Kia . That POS will be worth like $30k in 2 years

[Smgs1992]

Originally Posted by Mosaud1998

I used to work at a Kia dealership. Customers were actually willing to pay $5k-$7k markups on the SX-P Tellurides. The LX Tellurides had a $2-$3k markup. Same with the S. I think the EX and SX had a $4k-$5k markup and the SX-P had a $6k-$7k markup (depending on the dealership) There's no way in hell I am paying 60K for a damn Kia . That POS will be worth like $30k in 2 years

Right? I dont get it at all. I wouldnt even pay $30k for a Kia. At that price point i can afford something decent

[dmk08]

Originally Posted by Smgs1992

Right? I dont get it at all. I wouldnt even pay $30k for a Kia. At that price point i can afford something decent

BMW snobs are the funniest. Probably never even sat in a Telluride and drive an 07 335.

[Mosaud1998]

Originally Posted by dmk08

BMW snobs are the funniest. Probably never even sat in a Telluride and drive an 07 335.

I have . Sold a few of them too. They're nice but for $60k+(SX-P which is the fully loaded model) I'd rather buy a certified pre-owned BMW X5 or something similar.

There's no negotiation or rebates on any Telluride either. When I worked at Kia (2019-2020), the only rebates you got on the Telluride was $1k rebate (if you ordered) which later down the line Kia got rid of. In that case, any Telluride that's on a dealer's lot is (and still are) marked up. So, you ended up paying $2-$7k extra on top of the sticker (depending on what Trim level Telluride you opted for). If you ordered one, you would pay sticker.

There's hardly any Kia dealership that will Negotiate on a Telluride. Since they're still hard to keep on the lot.

[dmk08]

Originally Posted by Mosaud1998

I have . Sold a few of them too. They're nice but for $60k+(SX-P which is the fully loaded model) I'd rather buy a certified pre-owned BMW X5 or something similar.

There's no negotiation or rebates on any Telluride either. When I worked at Kia (2019-2020), the only rebates you got on the Telluride was $1k rebate which later down the line Kia got rid of. So, you ended up paying sticker+markup for Tellurides on the dealer lot. If you ordered one, you would pay sticker.

There's hardly any Kia dealership that will Negotiate on a Telluride. Since they're still hard to keep on the lot.

Would you pay $30k for one? Is it even “decent”. Cause thats what I was responding to.

X5s are great as a lease vehicle in warranty. There is a reason you can pick up a 3 year old $85k X5 for $35,000. 🙃

[Smgs1992]

Originally Posted by dmk08

BMW snobs are the funniest. Probably never even sat in a Telluride and drive an 07 335.

Lmao the fact you think i’m a BMW snob and you think the only car i drive is a 07 335i. That’s just a weekend toy lmao
I daily drive a 2017 GMC sierra 1500 Denali, have a 2013 F350 Lariat Powerstroke for a tow vehicle and a 04 expedition as a beater/mud toy
I have absolutely zero interest in a telluride if i want a SUV i’d buy an escalade range rover or a X5 not a Kia.

[Mosaud1998]

Originally Posted by dmk08

Would you pay $30k for one? Is it even “decent”. Cause thats what I was responding to.

X5s are great as a lease vehicle in warranty. There is a reason you can pick up a 3 year old $85k X5 for $35,000. 🙃

Eh, $30k for a Kia is still pushing it. The engines on those things suck ass. hence the whole 10 years 100k powertrain warranty.

And I'd rather buy the leased X5 with some warranty on it and better-built quality than a Telluride (or any other Korean Product).

[dmk08]

Originally Posted by Smgs1992

Lmao the fact you think i’m a BMW snob and you think the only car i drive is a 07 335i. That’s just a weekend toy lmao
I daily drive a 2017 GMC sierra 1500 Denali, have a 2013 F350 Lariat Powerstroke for a tow vehicle and a 04 expedition as a beater/mud toy
I have absolutely zero interest in a telluride if i want a SUV i’d buy an escalade range rover or a X5 not a Kia.

Well I guess you just have bad taste in cars all around.

[Smgs1992]

Originally Posted by dmk08

Well I guess you just have bad taste in cars all around.

I’m not the one drooling over a kia

[dmk08]

Originally Posted by Mosaud1998

Eh, $30k for a Kia is still pushing it. The engines on those things suck ass. hence the whole 10 years 100k powertrain warranty.

And I'd rather buy the leased X5 with some warranty on it and better-built quality than a Telluride (or any other Korean Product).

It always amuses me when people talk like BMW has some great build quality or something. Ive owned 10 M cars and a couple non M cars. Still waiting to see that magic build quality.

My MIL has a 12 year old Kia Sorento. Runs perfect. Been in the shop less than my dads 17 X5.

[dmk08]

Originally Posted by Smgs1992

I’m not the one drooling over a kia

Not drooling over a Kia just making fun of asinine statements.

[Mosaud1998]

Originally Posted by dmk08

It always amuses me when people talk like BMW has some great build quality or something. Ive owned 10 M cars and a couple non M cars. Still waiting to see that magic build quality.

My MIL has a 12 year old Kia Sorento. Runs perfect. Been in the shop less than my dads 17 X5.

Well, my mom's 17 Mercedes is always at the dealership because it's still under warranty. So, any little thing she notices I take it to the dealership.

For example, I noticed one of the door handle trims wasn't clicking in. I took it to the dealership to get it fixed. If the car wasn't under warranty, I wouldn't bother. Sometimes a car going in and out of a dealership doesn't mean it's crappy

[Smgs1992]

Originally Posted by dmk08

It always amuses me when people talk like BMW has some great build quality or something. Ive owned 10 M cars and a couple non M cars. Still waiting to see that magic build quality.

My MIL has a 12 year old Kia Sorento. Runs perfect. Been in the shop less than my dads 17 X5.

Build quality refers to materials, fit and finish. Been in a few kia’s a hyundai’s they all have been plasticy and even the nicer materials have always felt cheap such as the leather. Then there is materials used to construct the cars and the paint quality. Such as german auto makers using galvanized steel to construct the cars which leads to superior rust protection and stronger body panels.

Does your dad follow maintenance intervals or does he fill up with gas and change the oil every 15k?
If Kia’s are so much better. Why did you let him buy a BMW instead of telling him he needs a telluride?

[dmk08]

Originally Posted by Mosaud1998

Well, my mom's 17 Mercedes is always at the dealership because it's still under warranty. So, any little thing she notices I take it to the dealership.

For example, I noticed one of the door handle trims wasn't clicking in. I took it to the dealership to get it fixed. If the car wasn't under warranty, I wouldn't bother. Sometimes a car going in and out of a dealership doesn't mean it's crappy

[dmk08]

Originally Posted by Smgs1992

Build quality refers to materials, fit and finish. Been in a few kia’s a hyundai’s they all have been plasticy and even the nicer materials have always felt cheap such as the leather. Then there is materials used to construct the cars and the paint quality. Such as german auto makers using galvanized steel to construct the cars which leads to superior rust protection and stronger body panels.

Does your dad follow maintenance intervals or does he fill up with gas and change the oil every 15k?
If Kia’s are so much better. Why did you let him buy a BMW instead of telling him he needs a telluride?

I have a 2021 X5 on order as stated a few pages ago. Its a nicer car than the Kia no doubt. Also costs near $80k so I would hope so. Wont keep it out of warranty tho.

But the Kia is nicer than a 07 335i, 13 F350, and all those other trucks you named.

[Smgs1992]

Originally Posted by dmk08

I have a 2021 X5 on order as stated a few pages ago. Its a nicer car than the Kia no doubt. Also costs near $80k so I would hope so. Wont keep it out of warranty tho.

But the Kia is nicer than a 07 335i, 13 F350, and all those other trucks you named.

Nicer as in newer tech or actual build quality? I’m sure it has more tech in it.
However i would not claim it to be nicer than a newish Denali. Not sure how much you know about them but for example a brand new one is a $100k truck and 2017’s are still going for $50-60k

[dmk08]

Originally Posted by Smgs1992

Nicer as in newer tech or actual build quality? I’m sure it has more tech in it.
However i would not claim it to be nicer than a newish Denali. Not sure how much you know about them but for example a brand new one is a $100k truck and 2017’s are still going for $50-60k

I test drove an 18 last year. Wasnt a fan and I always laugh when I see how much they cost. 84 month loan specials @ Costco.

[Smgs1992]

Originally Posted by dmk08

I test drove an 18 last year. Wasnt a fan and I always laugh when I see how much they cost. 84 month loan specials @ Costco.

Well then you can understand how i feel about Kia’s. Dont get me wrong they are far nicer than they used to be. However to me they will never be a car i aspire to own and they will always be the option for those with poor credit and just want/need to get into something decent instead of a bunch of beaters.

Anyone getting a 84month loan gets what they deserve lol theyre obviously overspending

[freakystyly]

Production capabilities, estimated demand, competition, timing, the vehicle market in general. It's all a numbers game and the companies do their homework to squeeze profits to the best of their abilities. If they didn't see an advantage to charging over MSRP they wouldn't have. Apparently full sized SUVs are still a hot item and the shiny new thing on the block warrants a markup in a particular area, so that's what they will do. Don't hate the player hate the game.

After all, someone has to buy/lease the new cars for the used market to thrive. We can already slowly see how things are impacted after almost a year of this unusual market. It looks like it will take a bit more time for the abnormalities in the car markets to be more obvious.

[MisterF80M3]

Originally Posted by dmk08

It always amuses me when people talk like BMW has some great build quality or something. Ive owned 10 M cars and a couple non M cars. Still waiting to see that magic build quality.

My MIL has a 12 year old Kia Sorento. Runs perfect. Been in the shop less than my dads 17 X5.

Not according to JD Power

2020 3 years reliability. BMW is still higher than Kia.

[gatorfast]

Proud Kia owner here! lol some of you guys are crazy about this stuff