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      10-13-2015, 06:53 PM   #155
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it's just so... beautiful. It needs a CSL duck tail trunk lid and Recaro sportsters but then it may be too nice.

I wonder what I can get for my kidneys on the black market.
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      10-13-2015, 06:53 PM   #156
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I'm surprised there is only a 100ish lb weight savings over the M3:

M3 Weight
Curb Weight - Automatic transmission3595 lbs
Curb Weight - Manual transmission3540 lbs
Weight distribution, front/rear – Manual transmission51.6 / 48.4 %
Weight distribution, front/rear – Automatic transmission52.2 / 47.8 %
Me too.
I'm guessing the base car weighs quite a bit (M235 is 3,505lbs) and it would have cost them too much to reduce the weight significantly as they did with the M4 GTS. Pricing would then encroach on the M3/4.

What has me puzzled is how the automatic is listed as weighing 50lbs LESS than the manual!
First thing I did was looked up the weights of the M4.
Curb weight for M4 - Manual transmission: 3,530lbs.
Curb weight for M4 - Automatic transmission: 3,585lbs.
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      10-13-2015, 06:54 PM   #157
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Some of your cries are just outrageous.
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lol this guy...
Hey man just an opinion. Everyone has one

Told you I had my flame suit ready for users like you who can't take an opinion
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      10-13-2015, 06:54 PM   #158
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What would be noticeable about pistons and top rings? Nothing. Not needed. N55's are already durable engines, not sure why they wanted to do this. Probably to appease the people who would raise hell if the engine wasn't modified further than a tune.

Suspension changes, DCT, chassis etc are all to be expected. They're the norm for ///M models.

The N55 sounds good, yeah. But the S55 sounds like it should. All prior M engines have had the raspy voice. It's heritage.

I wanted to like this car.. I did. But I don't as much as I was hoping. Most of this thread is hype IMO.
well your opinion is wrong because the hype is real
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      10-13-2015, 06:54 PM   #159
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IND is gonna make a load of cash replacing the rear vent reflectors
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Nope. You don't consider the more likely reason is that it's a typo?
The manual IS lighter than the DCT. It's a typo. Go read the official press release.
The official press release which is printed at the beginning of this thread says the manual car (3505 lbs) is heavier than the DCT car (3450 lbs).
What official press release are you reading from?
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Me too.
I'm guessing the base car weighs quite a bit (M235 is 3,505lbs) and it would have cost them too much to reduce the weight significantly as they did with the M4 GTS. Pricing would then encroach on the M3/4.

What has me puzzled is how the automatic is listed as weighing 50lbs LESS than the manual!
First thing I did was looked up the weights of the M4.
Curb weight for M4 - Manual transmission: 3,530lbs.
Curb weight for M4 - Automatic transmission: 3,585lbs.
The weights must be swaped unless the new DCT is somehow lighter weight.
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Ahhhhhhh.... finally, so stoked, and excited, and happy, and relieved, and happy.
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Important bits...

A few important bits IMO (from the BMW Press Web site)

- Weight:
- Leergewicht DIN (Car with 90% fuel, no driver): 1495kg (manual), 1520 DCT (1455kg for M235i).
- Leergewicht EU (Car with 90% fuel, 75kg driver): 1570 kg manual and 1595 kg DCT (1530 for M235i)
- Power: 272 Kw / 370 hp @ 6500 rpm and 465 Nm/343 lb-ft from 1400-5560 rpm (M235i: 240 Kw/326 hp @ 5800 rpm and 450 nm from 1300-4500 rpm).
- 0-100 km/h (62mph): 4.3 secs with DCT and 4.5 secs with manual (M235i: 5.0 secs with manual and 4.8 sec with automatic)
- 80-120 kmh in 5th gear: 4.4 secs (M235i: 4.9 secs)
- With M driver package, top speed is 270 km/h or 168 mph (governed)
- Nurburgring lap time: 7:58.
- Overboost function to increase peak torque to 500 Nm (369 lb-ft) between 1,450 and 4,750 rpm.
- Full aluminium front and rear axles from the M3/4 (M235i Steel rear axle)
- 4 piston calipers 380mm rotors front / 2 piston calipers 370mm rotors rear (M235i 4 piston caliper 340mm rotors front & 2 piston caliper 330mm rotors rear)
- Track front/rear 1579mm/1601 (M235i: 1516/1532)
- Active M differential with M Dynamic Mode allowing drifting. (M235i, optional LSD)
- Newly calibrated EPS without assistance when driving straight ahead with 2 settings Comfort and Sport/Sport+
- Automatic rev matching on downshift and upshiftsfor manual gear box
- Modified N55 engine with parts from M3/M4: pistons, crankshaft bearing shells, extra oil sump cover, extra oil suction pump, oil cooler for DCT transmission, extra water cooler...
- Optimised exhaust with electrically controlled flap system (controlled via Driving Experience Control switch).
- M Laptimer app available (application records the car’s speed, longitudinal and lateral acceleration, engine speed, the gear engaged at any one time, the steering angle, the accelerator position and fuel consumption. All this allows drivers to subsequently analyse their responses precisely corner by corner, gives them the option of comparing their laps with those of other drivers and enables them to share the data by e-mail or Facebook) with optional ConnectedDrive.
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Well I guess a parts bin M car is the best we're gonna get! I dig it, asking myself why I would consider an m4 now.
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      10-13-2015, 07:01 PM   #166
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The official press release which is printed at the beginning of this thread says the manual car (3505 lbs) is heavier than the DCT car (3450 lbs).
What official press release are you reading from?
Yes, that's a typo. The official BMW press release is here:

https://www.press.bmwgroup.com/globa...em=node__10618
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Well I guess a parts bin M car is the best we're gonna get! I dig it, asking myself why I would consider an m4 now.
For the m mirrors and the worse exhaust note.

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      10-13-2015, 07:02 PM   #168
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What I would do is remove the rear bumper reflectors so it can act as vents
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Well I guess a parts bin M car is the best we're gonna get! I dig it, asking myself why I would consider an m4 now.
For the m mirrors and the worse exhaust note.

Lol. Yeah the mirrors are a big effin fail for BMW. May sound lame but that's one of my favorite thing on recent M cars
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      10-13-2015, 07:08 PM   #171
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What would be noticeable about pistons and top rings? Nothing. Not needed. N55's are already durable engines, not sure why they wanted to do this. Probably to appease the people who would raise hell if the engine wasn't modified further than a tune.

Suspension changes, DCT, chassis etc are all to be expected. They're the norm for ///M models.

The N55 sounds good, yeah. But the S55 sounds like it should. All prior M engines have had the raspy voice. It's heritage.

I wanted to like this car.. I did. But I don't as much as I was hoping. Most of this thread is hype IMO.
The upgrades in the engine are advantageous from a durability standpoint, you know, if you track the car? or if you plan to tune it?

And it's funny that you should mention a tune...the 235's engine is merely an N55 with the PPK, so......
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      10-13-2015, 07:09 PM   #172
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I'm dreaming of another ED... Love the seats! They are helmet friendly, unlike the ones in the M3. Someone is going to have two blue M cars in the garage
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Looking pretty good. Definitely more excited than I was.

1. Is the EPS system from the M4
2. Why oh why can they not have a separate button or control for rev match. It says it's disabled when DSC is off. I hope it stays on in MDM mode too. This shows BMW clearly does not listen to any feedback on these forums as that's a major gripe with the M4 owners
3. Why is the manual heavier than the DCT?
4. I've expressed my dislike for lack of seats. Some alcantara in the centre parts would have sufficed and looked good while functional(grip)
5. M mirrors totally would have finished it off. Bad call BMW (sorry had to throw it in there)

I'm still interested though...
don't you want it off when dsc is off? that's the only way to drive. what the hell happened to m3 drivers?
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Amazing car! Still bummed about no M mirrors :*(
Just add them!
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Those hips don't lie! THANK YOU BMW!!!! This little beast is gonna be sick!
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I think you are missing the point of the 1M and M2 - they are kept simple and "cost-saving" from certain perspectives on purpose. They give you over 90% of the performance of the M3/4, but not all the trinkets that are available. That's the point - they give you a taste of ///M, and if you want a fancier or more comfortable or more CF-blinged out car, there are options. Up the food chain and with a higher profit margin for BMW.

I wish those things were available too, but those aren't the features that make this car exciting. The fact that you're getting an M3 from the belt line down, in a smaller package, and for a cheaper price....well that's pretty awesome.

And congrats on going for the M3 - BMW will be happy to make one for you.
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If this car had all of the things we all wish it had like S55 engine, CF roof, M seats, and lets not leave out the M side mirror (rolling eyes), then the M2 would probably start at $60,000.

And lets be honest, if the M2 had all these things with a price point so close to the M4, the M4 sales would go in the garbage. A lot of people want a smaller car and are not happy with the size of the M4.

But what you said about the CSL addressing most of these issues is probably what will happen.
I mean hopefully for the CSL model but even then it is more engine and wheels/suspension.

That "cost saving" aspect of it is what makes it look and feel so cheap to me. I mean, look at those seats....in comparison to the other M lines you can CLEARLY see where they cut corners.

I get it, the whole weight saving aspect along with a price difference but just on a personal level I am not seeing the big deal here. It is nothing that makes me excited and jump for it like M cars normally do. Hell, even the 1M had me going a bit crazy at the time because of the rarity aspect of it. But this M2 is going to be everywhere at that price point and oversaturated.
Lol i wish it were cheap enough to be oversaturated, that would mean i could afford one. But the reality is it will be in the upper 50s starting, and 60s optioned, so no it wont be a common car
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