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      05-30-2019, 04:28 AM   #287
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Are you sure? there are websites across the US and europe that list it.

I believe the parts departments ask for a VIN to ensure the part will fit via ETK to not cause headaches for refunds or returns.
(I use to work in BMW Parts dept here in AU). There was a time where m performance exhausts were blocked from ordering due to not being compliant in our country.
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https://www.getbmwparts.com/p-f80-lc...r-51628076872c

Are you sure? there are websites across the US and europe that list it.

I believe the parts departments ask for a VIN to ensure the part will fit via ETK to not cause headaches for refunds or returns.
(I use to work in BMW Parts dept here in AU). There was a time where m performance exhausts were blocked from ordering due to not being compliant in our country.
I didn't make that up, it's a common consensus that certain limited production vehicle parts are blocked from randomly ordering, unless you actually own such vehicle.

It's been like that up to the E92 M3 GTS, last time I checked, not sure if anything changed since then but I doubt it. Maybe there's exception with the CS spoiler.:
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1. I've seen a lot of big numbers on FBO OG M2's yet have never seen proper v-box/gps tracking to showcase the actual improvements in real life scenarios. If you can prove me wrong with proper footage I'll rest my case but the lack of proper evidence makes me believe those gains don't really convert to much. This said, power delivery and overall drivability of the car with FBO and a non-BMW tune isn't that great or reliable. This argument vs M2CS official map on M2C is bit of a apples and oranges argument.
There are plenty of members of this forum that seem to be very happy with the performances of their tuned OG and LCI, and not much seem to have reliability problem. Now, I get your point: I would surely trust more the reliability of a S55 de-detuned back from 410hp to 450hp with a copy of a BMW map than the one of a N55 heavily modified to reach the same power.

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3. My argument is not much about the cost of upgradability but rather the ease of upgradability. BMW should have made custom designed parts, not fish inside the regular M2C catalog. How can you consider the M2CS special if any M2C can easily aspire to become one. Even the extra stuff like the Adaptive Suspensions and Seats are pretty much recycled stuff from the M4. Come to think of it, even the tune as a baseline is probably recycled from the M4CS. It's not too unrealistic to actually interpret the continuous testing done as them struggling making it work without it becoming a future liability. Zero innovation and lazy approach.
You"re hard with BMW. Developing a brand new engine, or suspension, or interior for a very-limited-volume version of the 2 series, which is now very close to the end of its lifecycle, would make no financial nor commercial sense at all. That's already an amazing news that they develop further the M2 concept with this CS version, IMO.
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I wish they'd hurry up and announce this thing, so people could plan accordingly. My F80 lease is up in January, and I will have to come up with a "gap plan" for the time between then and when I could conceivably get my hands on the CS...
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I wish they'd hurry up and announce this thing, so people could plan accordingly. My F80 lease is up in January, and I will have to come up with a "gap plan" for the time between then and when I could conceivably get my hands on the CS...
DM Boone: Are you going to get the CS over the GT4? I think being a current M2 owner that I may prefer the GT4 this time around. Don't know if I can get one though. Definitely want to get one or the other.
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DM Boone: Are you going to get the CS over the GT4? I think being a current M2 owner that I may prefer the GT4 this time around. Don't know if I can get one though. Definitely want to get one or the other.
I would love to get the GT4, but it would definitely be a stretch financially - I am expecting the CS to be pricey, but not that pricey.

If the 718 GT4 has a true GT engine and an 8000+ RPM redline...well, it might be the best car they've ever made. That might be worth a financial stretch...but I don't know all the details, like how many they will build and whatnot. I am guessing both cars will be hard to come by.
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I tried to order the valve cover breather hose for the E46 CSL airbox conversion, dealer placed the order and saw the warehouse had one (which makes no sense in the US, but w/e) and BMW cancelled the order and would not deliver the part and sent him an email stating I would have to show proof of ownership of a CSL. Parts guy showed me the computer screen. It probably depends on the part.

I had to order from ECS who was able to deliver it :shrug:
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I didn't make that up, it's a common consensus that certain limited production vehicle parts are blocked from randomly ordering, unless you actually own such vehicle.

It's been like that up to the E92 M3 GTS, last time I check, not sure if anything changed since then but I doubt it. Maybe there's exception with the CS spoiler.:
It isn't like it use to be with the CSL of years ago. Many non-GTS owners have ordered the M4 GTS hood. M4 CS rear spoiler is easy to get a hold of.
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      05-30-2019, 10:49 PM   #295
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Correct, BMW even promote cross and up-selling products in this modern age, hence the M performance range was born.

I don't think you made it up, just misinformed.
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https://www.getbmwparts.com/p-f80-lc...r-51628076872c

Are you sure? there are websites across the US and europe that list it.

I believe the parts departments ask for a VIN to ensure the part will fit via ETK to not cause headaches for refunds or returns.
(I use to work in BMW Parts dept here in AU). There was a time where m performance exhausts were blocked from ordering due to not being compliant in our country.
I didn't make that up, it's a common consensus that certain limited production vehicle parts are blocked from randomly ordering, unless you actually own such vehicle.

It's been like that up to the E92 M3 GTS, last time I check, not sure if anything changed since then but I doubt it. Maybe there's exception with the CS spoiler.:
Yes and no. For aero bits and pieces, there is no restriction but for things like engine, BMW will ask and verify for an applicable VIN.
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https://www.getbmwparts.com/p-f80-lc...r-51628076872c

Are you sure? there are websites across the US and europe that list it.

I believe the parts departments ask for a VIN to ensure the part will fit via ETK to not cause headaches for refunds or returns.
(I use to work in BMW Parts dept here in AU). There was a time where m performance exhausts were blocked from ordering due to not being compliant in our country.
I didn't make that up, it's a common consensus that certain limited production vehicle parts are blocked from randomly ordering, unless you actually own such vehicle.

It's been like that up to the E92 M3 GTS, last time I check, not sure if anything changed since then but I doubt it. Maybe there's exception with the CS spoiler.:
Yes and no. For aero bits and pieces, there is no restriction but for things like engine, BMW will ask and verify for an applicable VIN.
Yes, they used to ask, but even if they do, if your dealer wants and has some customers with specific models, they may use their VINs to be able to order you a part you otherwise can't have, so not a big deal to get access to those parts...this is quite common practice as only the systems may restrict ordering if there is no correct VIN, but after order nobody cares on what car this gets mounted and why it has been ordered...
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M3 CS owners - first impressions? https://f80.bimmerpost.com/forums/sh....php?t=1577136

Read this thread
So ppl who spent cash on a new car like it and that proves??? Sure its "better" but it seems the market says it’s not worth the premium over the standard M3/4.

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And how many non-CS M4 are for sale?

According to advertised production volumes, 20~25% of all M4 coupe production are CS...

I don't see how the number of unsold M4s is relevant. The M4 is not an out of production limited edition model which is meant to be so desirable and special that it is worth a hefty price premium.

Just for you I checked and there are about 50 M4 coupes for sale. I would check which are left over 2017s or placeholders for orders but that is hard to do quickly.

Not sure how you get to 20/25% of coupes being CSs, that would mean BMW only produced a max of 12K units of the "normal" coupe which seems terribly low.


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How many m4cs cars did they make?

I feel like the m2cs might be more popular, but as the G series m3 gets closer people might not want to spend on an F series car.

This will depend almost entirely on pricing; this is not going to be an E46 M3 CSL successor. Price it right 10k higher than a full option M2C and it will sell out. Price it into used 911, Cayman GT4, 718 GTS, F-type V8 territory and it likely won’t.

I think the CS is perfect for people who don’t want to mod their M2 and want a more hard core car. If you plan to mod or think it’s an investment then I don’t think this is the car for you. The manual option is interesting and I think manual CS will hold their value well but wont turn a profit till 15-20 years time.
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The manual option is interesting and I think manual CS will hold their value well but wont turn a profit till 15-20 years time.
This is kinda why I don't see (most) cars as a valid investment. In that 15-20 years, you have paid storage and maintenance costs, possibly insurance too, as well as been subject to inflation. Then you're still up to the luck of the draw on if your car will be sought after after that amount of time.

It might be a way to mitigate the loss taken on your car... buying a cool car that will sell easily and hold it's value better than anything else... but I'm not perfectly sure about that one either.
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Seriously? Who's paying the asking price for this now that's it is published with rough figures? More than the m3 or m4cs. Or damn near same price. Exclusivity isn't gonna save it. Look at m4 gts.
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Seriously? Who's paying the asking price for this now that's it is published with rough figures? More than the m3 or m4cs. Or damn near same price. Exclusivity isn't gonna save it. Look at m4 gts.
It's anyone's guess what the price will be at this point. Logic states that the M2 CS should be less than its higher trim siblings, M3/4.

I'm #1 (apparently) at my dealer. But if it's over $80k, I'll pass. For that kind of money, I'm going for the Stuttgart exports.
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Let's see...if I can secure an allocation and it's priced under $85K, I think I'm in!
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It's anyone's guess what the price will be at this point. Logic states that the M2 CS should be less than its higher trim siblings, M3/4. I'm #1 (apparently) at my dealer. But if it's over $80k, I'll pass. For that kind of money, I'm going for the Stuttgart exports.
In CS Price Land, things are ///Mbitious, rather than logic.

For this über 2 Series car, expect "Uh, it's not enough, Sir/Madam" as soon as you have put your wallet back inside your pocket after having put M3/M4 base price money on the dealer table.
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Will the base price be revealed in November?
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Will the base price be revealed in November?
YES, affirmative (so we were told)!
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100% this. How would the M4 GTS, M4 CS and M3 CS have been received if they had been appropriately priced? I hope BMW will learn from its previous mistakes, but it shouldn't take this many errors to see the light.
When my eyes saw the base price figure indicated at the top of an internal genuine M2 CS sheet (featuring a list of all standard features and options + summarized car features), my brain synapses failed to trigger a moment of joy inside my mind. It was no typo but, to be accurate, it said «±». So, hey, there is still a chance that the final base price for the M2 CS will come down a little.
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When my eyes saw the base price figure indicated at the top of an internal genuine M2 CS sheet (featuring a list of all standard features and options + summarized car features), my brain synapses failed to trigger a moment of joy inside my mind. It was no typo but, to be accurate, it said «±». So, hey, there is still a chance that the final base price for the M2 CS will come down a little.
Didn't someone say that price included the VAT tax? What is the US equivalent without the VAT?
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Someone mentioned Belgium is getting 100 cars. How many is the US getting?
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