[M3 Adjuster]

Originally Posted by 335audioman

I stand behind my original statement. Wait for the 2018.

Here are some reasonable assumptions based on how BMW typically works...

2018 will likely have the following:
- LCI Updates across the 2 series range, including M2 (new taillights/headlights, etc.
- New exterior color option(s)
- B58 engine with increased HP/TQ to align with rest of the BMW lineup (I suspect 385hp w/ 369 lb/ft tq) which will further differentiate it from the M240i
- Moonroof option

They will also likely introduce a M2 "CS" version with the S55, but I fully expect it to be a very limited model with a starting base price over $65K. Yes, dealers will mark these up significantly.

Just my thoughts, but having been around the BMW brand for several years now, these assumptions are likely not too far off.

2018 will likely have some of your lIst but I highly doubt all of the items are " likely "


The most suspect of the group is additional color options.

How many color options have been added for any F8x... ? ( and by that I mean F80,82 and 87)

I agree however , I wouldn't be surprised to see a B58 motor as the model run goes on over time in order to maybe extend beyond the
M240.

It's a great wishlist though.

[blackholescion]

Originally Posted by 335audioman

That's the problem. Some people don't want to do that. They don't want to void their warranties, reduce their resale values, and spend additional $ to make that happen. They would rather get a M2 from the factory with the power/upgrades they desire. Waiting for the 2018 is a no brainer. There WILL be a power upgrade, likely in the form of a B58 engine swap. BMW isn't going to keep just a 30hp difference between a M240i and the M2. There will be changes and it would suck to miss out on those.

Valid point. I would argue those same people are the ones who lease in which case, who cares. You get a new car in 3 years. Also, don't mod until after warranty is up. Mods don't reduce resale as much as people would like to claim. Especially if all records are kept. Or return to stock to sell.

We are all on an enthusiast forum. Mods are done before the car is even purchased.

Wait until 2018 for a power upgrade. Wait until 2020 for the next one once rumors come out in 2018 for a power upgrade the following year. Keep waiting. Where does it stop?

[M3 Adjuster]

Originally Posted by blackholescion

Valid point. I would argue those same people are the ones who lease in which case, who cares. You get a new car in 3 years. Also, don't mod until after warranty is up. Mods don't reduce resale as much as people would like to claim. Especially if all records are kept. Or return to stock to sell.

We are all on an enthusiast forum. Mods are done before the car is even purchased.

Wait until 2018 for a power upgrade. Wait until 2020 for the next one once rumors come out in 2018 for a power upgrade the following year. Keep waiting. Where does it stop?

This is my point.

What if the power upgrade brings an S55, and a half cage and water injection and no rear seats just like the M4 GTS for say... 79K ?

Would it be worth a standard M2 buyer looking for a daily driver to have waited? I wouldn't think so ...

Well I guess they might get LCI tails and a backup camera for free ...:

[SoCalRob]

Originally Posted by medphysdave

There's always going to be someone with a better, badder, faster car. You have to jump in at some point.

Badder and faster, perhaps, but not necessarily better. BWM is fully capable of screwing up a good thing. -scr

[BIMMERGUY91]

Can't confirm the CS part of the rumors but I can confirm that the S55 is coming to the M2 for 2018 in some capacity.

[CosmosMpower]

Originally Posted by M3 Adjuster

This is my point.

What if the power upgrade brings an S55, and a half cage and water injection and no rear seats just like the M4 GTS for say... 79K ?

Would it be worth a standard M2 buyer looking for a daily driver to have waited? I wouldn't think so ...

Well I guess they might get LCI tails and a backup camera for free ...:

I don't think 79K would do it, maybe closer to GT4 base pricing say 90K. That's too upmarket for most M2 buyers but the hardcore ones that love the car will pay it and they will sell every single one they make.

I'd rather have a low mid 50's M2 as-is today since I'm using mine as a daily driver and have a track car already.

[CosmosMpower]

Originally Posted by BIMMERGUY91

Can't confirm the CS part of the rumors but I can confirm that the S55 is coming to the M2 for 2018 in some capacity.

Do tell how you know...

[cc3]

M2 will need a serous power upgrade. See Paris show has new RS3 with 395 bhp and new A class AMG to have 400 bhp

[blackholescion]

Originally Posted by cc3

M2 will need a serous power upgrade. See Paris show has new RS3 with 395 bhp and new A class AMG to have 400 bhp

You do understand the M2 makes ~385 bhp stock right? Despite what BMW says is the official HP number.

Both of those also don't have manual transmissions.

[Destroya]

You can chase the dream forever or you can buy what you like now and simply enjoy it. How many people regret purchasing their E46M?

[gtr]

Originally Posted by Destroya

How many people regret purchasing their E46M?

I'm so glad I've decided to wait for E46 CSL and now transfer that idea toward the F87CSL

[MR.]

Guys, anyone here remember the BMW E46 M3 CS. Just think along that way, more I cannot say at this moment...

MR

[bim2er]

Originally Posted by MR.

Guys, anyone here remember the BMW E46 M3 CS. Just think along that way, more I cannot say at this moment...

MR

I believe we might refer to that configuration as ZCP here in the US.

[M+M]

Originally Posted by CosmosMpower

I don't think 79K would do it, maybe closer to GT4 base pricing say 90K. That's too upmarket for most M2 buyers but the hardcore ones that love the car will pay it and they will sell every single one they make.

I'd rather have a low mid 50's M2 as-is today since I'm using mine as a daily driver and have a track car already.

sums up my feelings very well. An M2gts or CSL needs to go all out because by the time it is released we are going to have next gen models of gt4, gt3, etc that will move the game on again. So pricing is going to have to be substantial premium to base model M2.

On the other hand a CS with some minor tweaks to power, LCI updates can fit into the pricing structure at a relatively modest premium, and compete in the segment vs RS3 and AMG.

I am in the same boat as Cosmos. I use my M2 as a DD and have other cars for track/race. Very happy with it as an entertaining and interactive car that can cope with ease in city traffic (DCT) and open road fun.

[Artemis]

Originally Posted by MR.

Guys, anyone here remember the BMW E46 M3 CS. Just think along that way, more I cannot say at this moment...
MR

Feel free to spill the beans.

"What is the E46 M3 Competition Package?
The Competition Package, known by the internal designation "ZCP", was introduced in December of 2004 as an option for the E46 M3 coupe. It consisted of the following equipment (most of which is derived from that of the limited-production M3 CSL):
- Cross-drilled brake rotors (enlarged to 13.7 inches in front) with two-piece compound rotors (aluminum hat and outer portion connected by steel pins)
- Steering ratio reduced to 14.5:1
- M Track Mode setting for Dynamic Stability Control (raises—but does not eliminate—the threshold at which the DSC intervenes)
- 19-inch cross-spoke alloy wheels (8x19-inch front, 9.5x19-inch rear)
- Alcantara-wrapped M three-spoke steering wheel with M Track Mode activation button (audio and cruise control buttons deleted)
- Specific aluminum interior trim with milled effect
- Exclusive Interlagos Blue metallic (A30) paint option
What is the E46 M3 CS?
The right-hand drive version of the E46 M3 coupe with the Competition Package sold in the United Kingdom was officially given the "M3 CS" designation. However, this model does not contain "M3 CS" badging of any kind, nor does it differ from its left-hand drive "ZCP" counterpart in any significant way.
How many examples of the E46 M3 coupe with Competition Package were produced?
BMW produced a total of 3,011 E46 M3 coupes with the optional Competition Package (ZCP). The breakdown by model type is as follows: BL91 = 326 examples, BL92 (designated as the M3 CS in the United Kingdom) = 275 examples, BL93 = 2,410 examples."
(Source: http://www.bmwmregistry.com/model_faq.php?id=19)

[ryem3]

Until the most recent m4 competition package, none of the packages included an increase in hp.

[ilovewagons]

Originally Posted by M+M

I am in the same boat as Cosmos. I use my M2 as a DD and have other cars for track/race. Very happy with it as an entertaining and interactive car that can cope with ease in city traffic (DCT) and open road fun.

Didn't you get the memo? We're supposed to be crying rage tears because we're about to own an M car that everyone thinks is awesome and acknowledges as the first truly great modern M car, that's about to become a limited model and will apparently be replaced by a model that doesn't sound as good and will be made in greater numbers. How awful... er I mean, I'm very sad and I want more hp so badly that I don't care if the car sounds like ass and the power delivery isn't as good.

[MR.]

Originally Posted by Artemis

Feel free to spill the beans.

"What is the E46 M3 Competition Package?
The Competition Package, known by the internal designation "ZCP", was introduced in December of 2004 as an option for the E46 M3 coupe. It consisted of the following equipment (most of which is derived from that of the limited-production M3 CSL):
- Cross-drilled brake rotors (enlarged to 13.7 inches in front) with two-piece compound rotors (aluminum hat and outer portion connected by steel pins)
- Steering ratio reduced to 14.5:1
- M Track Mode setting for Dynamic Stability Control (raises—but does not eliminate—the threshold at which the DSC intervenes)
- 19-inch cross-spoke alloy wheels (8x19-inch front, 9.5x19-inch rear)
- Alcantara-wrapped M three-spoke steering wheel with M Track Mode activation button (audio and cruise control buttons deleted)
- Specific aluminum interior trim with milled effect
- Exclusive Interlagos Blue metallic (A30) paint option
What is the E46 M3 CS?
The right-hand drive version of the E46 M3 coupe with the Competition Package sold in the United Kingdom was officially given the "M3 CS" designation. However, this model does not contain "M3 CS" badging of any kind, nor does it differ from its left-hand drive "ZCP" counterpart in any significant way.
How many examples of the E46 M3 coupe with Competition Package were produced?
BMW produced a total of 3,011 E46 M3 coupes with the optional Competition Package (ZCP). The breakdown by model type is as follows: BL91 = 326 examples, BL92 (designated as the M3 CS in the United Kingdom) = 275 examples, BL93 = 2,410 examples."
(Source: http://www.bmwmregistry.com/model_faq.php?id=19)

Just think along those lines, add the S55 engine and you have the M2 CS...

Yes, it is not GTS or CSL

MR

[bogeyman]

Adrian van Hooydonk (BMW Group Head of Design) said there would be variants of the M2, so it'd make sense to have a CS (aka Civic Evolution II M2) and a more hardcore, higher priced, limited-edition.

Originally Posted by MR.

Just think along those lines, add the S55 engine and you have the M2 CS...

Yes, it is not GTS or CSL

MR

[medphysdave]

I'm not sure if just a switch to the S55 would get me to buy. If that's the only thing that changes, then I think the N55 buyers are the real winners due to point of entry price.

S55 will certainly bring a price increase.

Sure, there is more tuning headroom for the S55, but what percentage of buyers actually modify their cars? More power will eventually screw up the balance of the car if their are no improvements to increase grip.

[M3 Adjuster]

Originally Posted by medphysdave

I'm not sure if just a switch to the S55 would get me to buy. If that's the only thing that changes, then I think the N55 buyers are the real winners due to point of entry price.

S55 will certainly bring a price increase.

Sure, there is more tuning headroom for the S55, but what percentage of buyers actually modify their cars? More power will eventually screw up the balance of the car if their are no improvements to increase grip.

Using that logic, a mere tune would upset the balance of the car ...

I agree with you.. I wouldn't just wait a year because of a rumor of an S55. Even if knew for sure an S55 was going in, it wouldn't be something I would wait for. These cars have plenty of power at 365.

[///M-pressed]

Originally Posted by 335audioman

I stand behind my original statement. Wait for the 2018.

Here are some reasonable assumptions based on how BMW typically works...

2018 will likely have the following:
- LCI Updates across the 2 series range, including M2 (new taillights/headlights, etc.
- New exterior color option(s)
- B58 engine with increased HP/TQ to align with rest of the BMW lineup (I suspect 385hp w/ 369 lb/ft tq) which will further differentiate it from the M240i
- Moonroof option

They will also likely introduce a M2 "CS" version with the S55, but I fully expect it to be a very limited model with a starting base price over $65K. Yes, dealers will mark these up significantly.

Just my thoughts, but having been around the BMW brand for several years now, these assumptions are likely not too far off.

Don't think they're going to use the B58 as it's not really an M motor. Remember the N55 in the M2 shares the S55 internals and is not the same N55 as in the M235 etc.