[carl44]

Originally Posted by dew343

The shifting should get better as the gear box gets some mileage on it .

Not much, my other one had 13k on it and still basically the same a little better but not much. My GT4 is just the opposite solid, precise, short through and smooth. That's what makes the M2 feel stand out to me. carl

[carl44]

Originally Posted by ChrisK

Is your M2C broken in?

picked it up Thursday has 230 on it now. carl

[ChrisK]

Originally Posted by carl44

picked it up Thursday has 230 on it now. carl

Ok, it will be interesting to read a comparison after the 1200 mile service.

[Old Geezer]

Originally Posted by carl44

The one thing that i was hoping for was better shift linkage. That was my number one dislike on the M2 it's not fluid kind of clunky or notchy . I had read that they did something to improve it but its the same . When you shift its two movements . First to neutral then into the next gear. carl

We're going to have to agree to disagree on this one. My previous benchmark was my '03 ZHP. My '17 M2 is better by leaps and bounds; every bit as smooth, but far more precise. The linkage in my M2C is its equal. No complaints at all here. Well, maybe one tiny niggle. When autocrossing, I occasionally find a 2->3 short shift necessary. The linkage doesn't like to be rushed between the 1/2 and 3/4 gate.

[Old Geezer]

Originally Posted by carl44

went back to my dealer and took out my 17 M2 that i traded. i had put about 150m on the M2C so i thought it would be a good time to see what the difference in driving was.

The first thing is the M2 has sharper throttle response the M2C feels lazy the difference is the M2 has peak torque @ 1400 vs 2450 for the M2C. The M2C likes to rev more you feel the power build the M2 runs out of steam @6k . I always considered the M2 a solid car but the M2C feels more so.

The body movement seems more tidy on the M2C. The steering feel is the same on both cars (not great). You can feel the weight the M2C feels heavier and bigger. The M2 has a lighter more nibble feel. So to sum it up more power, stiffer chassis, same steering feel , feels more front end heavy. Bottom line its not night and day.

Some things on the old car i think are better its snappier and feels more nimble . Im not sure if i would have had a chance to compare i would have run back with a check. I do like the new one a little better mainly for the engine . carl

Thanks for the comparison. Regarding the throttle response, what mode did you have the engine dynamics set to?

[carl44]

Originally Posted by Old Geezer

Thanks for the comparison. Regarding the throttle response, what mode did you have the engine dynamics set to?

I tried all three comfort,sport ,sport plus.

One thing i forgot to mention was the brake pedal feel . The M2 has a firmer pedal the M2C is softer and has more travel. I like a brake pedal that feels like stepping on a brick. After the pads seat I'll pressure bleed with SRF, it may help. carl

[Old Geezer]

Originally Posted by carl44

I tried all three comfort,sport ,sport plus.

One thing i forgot to mention was the brake pedal feel . The M2 has a firmer pedal the M2C is softer and has more travel. I like a brake pedal that feels like stepping on a brick. After the pads seat I'll pressure bleed with SRF, it may help. carl

Yeah, the brakes don’t quite have that put-me-through-the-windshield feeling I was expecting, but I just passed 300 miles today. My first autocross will be the acid test.

[chris719]

Originally Posted by carl44

Not much, my other one had 13k on it and still basically the same a little better but not much. My GT4 is just the opposite solid, precise, short through and smooth. That's what makes the M2 feel stand out to me. carl

All BMW manuals suck especially into 2nd gear, requiring that pause / 2nd motion you mention. Supposedly the F8x gearbox is one of the least recalcitrant they have made in this regard. I know what you mean though.

[allthatisntnow]

The N55 doesn't have more low down torque than the S55, even in the M2C state of tune. It may just feel like it because the N55 runs out of breath so much sooner that the low down torque is the highlight of its power band. The S55 is better everywhere in this regard.

There also seems to be an expectation that bigger brakes = more stopping power. They just handle heat better than a smaller kit and have better pad wear characteristics. The smaller kit is capable of generating the same amount of stopping power on the first few stops before fade would set in.

[MR.]

Originally Posted by carl44

The first thing is the M2 has sharper throttle response the M2C feels lazy the difference is the M2 has peak torque @ 1400 vs 2450 for the M2C. The M2C likes to rev more you feel the power build the M2 runs out of steam @6k . I always considered the M2 a solid car but the M2C feels more so.

The body movement seems more tidy on the M2C. The steering feel is the same on both cars (not great). You can feel the weight the M2C feels heavier and bigger. The M2 has a lighter more nibble feel. So to sum it up more power, stiffer chassis, same steering feel , feels more front end heavy. Bottom line its not night and day.

Some things on the old car i think are better its snappier and feels more nimble . Im not sure if i would have had a chance to compare i would have run back with a check. I do like the new one a little better mainly for the engine . carl

Originally Posted by carl44

I tried all three comfort,sport ,sport plus.

One thing i forgot to mention was the brake pedal feel . The M2 has a firmer pedal the M2C is softer and has more travel. I like a brake pedal that feels like stepping on a brick. After the pads seat I'll pressure bleed with SRF, it may help. carl

Amazed you wrote exactly what I felt as well when I drove the M2C on track... A bit stunned about the fact you felt the exact same thing. My ex-journalist testing hasn't left me yet...

Now let's tune that thing and we will be in for a lot of fun! Such a f**king pity we have to do it and BMW didn't decide to make it decent from the get go.

MR

[Chasing Dreams]

So how I read it the M2C is not a more fun car, unless you unlock its tuning potential and therefore waiving the warranty?

[ChrisK]

Originally Posted by Chasing Dreams

So how I read it the M2C is not a more fun car, unless you unlock its tuning potential and therefore waiving the warranty?

It would be nice if these M2C's hit their 1200 miles service first.

I also hate to say this, but so far these cars have all been MT.

I am also a previous M2 owner, so it will be fun to compare.

[GoneIn4Secs]

Originally Posted by carl44

went back to my dealer and took out my 17 M2 that i traded. i had put about 150m on the M2C so i thought it would be a good time to see what the difference in driving was.

The first thing is the M2 has sharper throttle response the M2C feels lazy the difference is the M2 has peak torque @ 1400 vs 2450 for the M2C. The M2C likes to rev more you feel the power build the M2 runs out of steam @6k . I always considered the M2 a solid car but the M2C feels more so.

The body movement seems more tidy on the M2C. The steering feel is the same on both cars (not great). You can feel the weight the M2C feels heavier and bigger. The M2 has a lighter more nibble feel. So to sum it up more power, stiffer chassis, same steering feel , feels more front end heavy. Bottom line its not night and day.

Some things on the old car i think are better its snappier and feels more nimble . Im not sure if i would have had a chance to compare i would have run back with a check. I do like the new one a little better mainly for the engine . carl

Thx for the review,

Why did the dealership let you drive the traded in m2 around?

This threads gonna make for alot of s55 fanboy salt

[dmk08]

Originally Posted by GoneIn4Secs

Thx for the review,

Why did the dealership let you drive the traded in m2 around?

This threads gonna make for alot of s55 fanboy salt

Why because it makes torque later? That sluggish feeling people are having has to be the detune. It wasnt there on the M4.

If you want salt start talking about exhaust note

[Davil]

FFS. Some guy has 150 miles on the odo and does a back to back comparison. I wasn’t going to say anything but questioning why I even read some of this shit now. All I like is is the pics while I wait. Must refrain from reading.

[dmk08]

Originally Posted by Davil

FFS. Some guy has 150 miles on the odo and does a back to back comparison. I wasn’t going to say anything but questioning why I even read some of this shit now. All I like is is the pics while I wait. Must refrain from reading.

Yeah calling it sluggish during break in is a bit

[10"]

OP: do you regret your decision? I guess you need to break in the car more but it sounds like the M2C is not instantly more thrilling...feeling solid isn't usually more entertaining!

[hz101]

Originally Posted by 10"

OP: do you regret your decision? I guess you need to break in the car more but it sounds like the M2C is not instantly more thrilling...feeling solid isn't usually more entertaining!

I'm a previous M2 owner. I think the M2C is the better choice for those who track their cars. But for most people the M2 will be good enough. In fact, the nimbleness and snappier feel that Carl described makes it more attractive to me.

[GoneIn4Secs]

Originally Posted by hz101

I'm a previous M2 owner. I think the M2C is the better choice for those who track their cars. But for most people the M2 will be good enough. In fact, the nimbleness and snappier feel that Carl described makes it more attractive to me.

Zactly

[dmk08]

Have they removed or disabled the turbo pre-spool on the S55? Is it still only on in Sport+? OP were you really hooning your new M2C with 150 miles on it??

[GoneIn4Secs]

Originally Posted by dmk08

Yeah calling it sluggish during break in is a bit

Slugish feel doesnt really have an affect on whether your in break in period or not.

All the break in period limits is that you dont go crazy wot and keep your revs under lets say 5k to be safe

The sluggishness you would feel is in the lower band anyways, you wanna feel.quick pick up in a small coupe like this, not a 'boatish' feel

Thata one thing where i picked tbe m2 over the m240i, is i liked the feel of the throttle and tbe responsiveness of the car, even in spongy comfort mode


If your gonna dedicate the car to tracking alot than easy decision to go m2c, but how many ppl actually will do that consistently?

No i have a feeling alot of ppl were thinking that they didnt have a 'proper' M car with the og m2. And were caught up in the hooplah of having bestest and newest.

[dmk08]

Originally Posted by GoneIn4Secs

Slugish feel doesnt really have an affect on whether your in break in period or not.

All the break in period limits is that you dont go crazy wot and keep your revs under lets say 5k to be safe

The sluggishness you would feel is in the lower band anyways, you wanna feel.quick pick up in a small coupe like this, not a 'boatish' feel

Thata one thing where i picked tbe m2 over the m240i, is i liked the feel of the throttle and tbe responsiveness of the car, even in spongy comfort mode


If your gonna dedicate the car to tracking alot than easy decision to go m2c, but how many ppl actually will do that consistently?

No i have a feeling alot of ppl were thinking that they didnt have a 'proper' M car with the og m2. And were caught up in the hooplah of having bestest and newest.

Youre not supposed to go WOT at all during break in.... I guarantee its not boatish.

The S55 has insane low end kick.... i have 40000+ miles driving one so I am more wondering why people are saying this. I even asked in another thread if they detuned the prespooling.