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I can't think of a worse combo than what they picked for the launch combination...and since they can paint the calipers red, blue, or silver (all seen on other Ms), why can't we have the option on that front?
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In a first edition of the Jalopnik M2 CS leak (see here) the figure "500" was mentioned. Jalopnik edited the article ("Update: An earlier version of this story stated the number of cars BMW will send to America; the automaker says it is unable to confirm the exact number of units that will be sent here at this time. We have updated the post accordingly."). For the record: initially 2700 BMW 1M cars were scheduled, featuring 740 for the US (2011).
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I know about a few German owners of an M2/M2C who were recently called by BMW Germany querying whether they were interested to get an M2 CS. They all declined. What do you reckon ?
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I'm wondering if all this information is being held so that BMW can asses where the interest is geographically (to asses allocations) and how much they can push the pricing envelope and maintain demand???? |
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"Got a call today [Nov 16, 2019] if I'm interested in the exclusive M2 CS.And I know that he ain't the only one who got called.
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You know these cars will be sold on a "allocation" basis. Some dealerships will be allocated and others won't. If it's anything like 1M, it's too late to get in line now!
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Don't hate on me but can someone explain why the 1M is soooo lauded?? Because it was a limited car?
Wasn't it an ugly 1 series with an N54 in it? Don't get it. I laugh when I see dudes on the BMW CCA classifieds trying to get $70k for them. |
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Looking to get a GT4 instead or a great deal on an M2C |
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11-21-2019, 06:04 AM | #102 | ||
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The fact that BMW is still not disclosing the M2 CS price for the US, even at official presentation: as if BMW does not want to rain on its own parade. During the closed room preview event of Sep 17, BMW announced a €91K base price (taxes included) for Belgium. On Nov 6 (less than 2 months later) base price was €96.5K (€5.5K extra). Frankly speaking, IMHO BMW greedily biting the hand that feeds it, does not reflect client care.
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Essentially, the 1M proved that there was still a market for an E36/46 sized M car. Was it ugly? Sure, from the front - but it looked good from the other angles. And without the 1M, there’s no M2, M2C, or M2CS.
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BMW essentially created the car out of the left over parts bin. I always liked it and still do. I wouldn't buy one over the M2 or M2C but respect it nonetheless.
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The 1M is hyped because it was low production, short wheelbase, and had the N54. Primarily low production, but the other two do have something to do with the charm. A lot of people thought the N54 was a negative when it was released, but it brought a very different sense of fun and more street-friendly power delivery. Having driven an N54 135i, I am sure in the real world the 1M is faster than the E92 M3 except from highway roll. The S65 is the polar opposite; it takes time to appreciate, and it might not have been the best choice for a car as heavy as the E92. I am pretty sure the M2 would have had a similar reception if it had a hydraulic steering rack and was produced in lower volumes. It's all relative. I thought the E82 1er and E92 were numb compared to the Z4M. I am sure the Z4M feels numb compared to the Z3M. I know the E46 feels luxurious compared to the E36. E30 owners probably say everything after is a Mercedes. |
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Compare 1M resale prices nowadays with those of rivals back then (2011 Cayman S and 2011 Audi TT RS Coupé). AFAIK I don't recall people still talking about those competing cars - they're mostly kinda 'forgotten' by later iterations. Try to find 2019 reviews saying something like "this new car reminds us of the infamous 2011 Cayman S / 2011 Audi TT RS Coupé". Fun trivia: back then (2011) journalists asked Porsche to get a Cayman S for 1M comparison tests (comparable price range), and each time Porsche sent over a Cayman R (more powerful and different price range). I recall a journalist saying in a car magazine review that Porsche had told them that a Cayman S was not immediately available, unlike a Cayman R... 6309 1M cars were made (which ain't particularly 'rare') and 740 got stateside. It's fun to drive (kinda handful/rascal), looks more boisterous than lots of BMW cars back then (fenders on steroids - no boredom), manual only and very limited choice of customization (rather 'take it or leave it'), Valencia Orange was a quirky body color, and - last but not least - the car was affordable for lots of enthusiasts. As explained here: "It speaks to our inner child. [...] Owning a 1M is like owning your favorite Matchbox car. You feel like a kid again. You feel like anything is possible. There are no shortage of YouTube video reviews on the car, but if you watch them you start to see that there is one common element in all of them. The reviewers are giggling like little kids. I have never seen a car that evokes such a universal sense of childlike whimsy and fun." And there is some truth in it: a subtle reminder to childhood days. Price of the M2 CS: almost double, positioned in a price range of a different class, swimming with bigger fish in the automotive pond. Different story. Below: comparison published by BMW UK around 2010/2011: Quote:
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Yes, the 1M was a great car for the money (MSRP) when it was first offered. Investment/collectible purposes aside, it's nowhere near worth what some people are paying now, though pricing has settled down for the 1M. Conversely, the M4 GTS is a great car, but because it was grossly overpriced by BMW, it was poorly reviewed. If it had been offered at just under 6 figures (which the market quickly corrected it to), its legacy would be completely different. BMW could have secured the M2 CS legacy if it had offered it in the mid- (or possibly even even high-) seventies. But at 84K to start, I'm not so sure.
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Most high performance cars of today outperform vintage sports cars. But that doesn't spoil the fun when you're behind the wheel of such an old dog.
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Take one for a spin and report back 😉 FYI - no one gives 2 shits about typical stats when your carving up some twisties on back country roads...all about the feel and connection to the car...regardless of the brand. I don't think I've ever gotten out of my car after a spirited drive with friends, and anyone talks about their cars stats...lol! |
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