[DarkstarZero]

Originally Posted by synergist

So you're saying BMW cares more about losing 5 cars, say their cost is $60K/ each, so $300,000 (which I'm almost certain they can write off taxes) + EPA fees, than losing 20-30% of their target customers?

Say BMW makes $10K profit on each M2 CS (I know there was that article stating profit is $6K but this would be a special edition) and due to their limited run, 500 manuals are sold in the US. This represents the $5,000,000 in profit, in addition to service revenue over the course of the vehicle and retaining customer loyalty.

It's not just the cost of the cars, BMW has to pay the NHTSA for each crash test. And being a government organization, I doubt they have competitive pricing.

500 manuals is a bit optimistic. The majority of M2s are DCT. If they sold 1,000 M2 CS's in DCT and Manual in NA, which would mean something like 5,000 total around the world. I'd estimate only 350 of them would be Manual, in the US. So yeah, the bean counters would not be happy.

Which is why I hope BMW does it anyway, for us, the loyalists, the purists, the enthusiasts, the demographic the car was designed for.

[Gatte]

Originally Posted by medphysdave

What would you shop for instead?

Used GT4s if they were not over a 100K right now. Was counting on the M2 CS but looks like it might not get a manual so...

[akkando]

Originally Posted by DarkstarZero

It's not just the cost of the cars, BMW has to pay the NHTSA for each crash test. And being a government organization, I doubt they have competitive pricing.

500 manuals is a bit optimistic. The majority of M2s are DCT. If they sold 1,000 M2 CS's in DCT and Manual in NA, which would mean something like 5,000 total around the world. I'd estimate only 350 of them would be Manual, in the US. So yeah, the bean counters would not be happy.

Which is why I hope BMW does it anyway, for us, the loyalists, the purists, the enthusiasts, the demographic the car was designed for.

Correct me if I am wrong but the DCT is more popular with enthusiast outside of the US right?

[M3 Adjuster]

Originally Posted by Gatte

I am super confused about waiting a whole year for the M2 CS and then be disappointed or just getting an M2 with a stick right now.

The zl9 edition just increased in perceived value ..

Manual seats
Manual transmission
Factory coilovers


The M2 CS will be perfect for the DCT / daily driver crew. And it will probably be a zL9 with a motor and some new aero and upgraded brakes !

Porsche WILL make another cayman GT4.. someday. And they made it manual to keep it slower than the 911.

Pray for M2 GTS. We need more MOTORSPORT. And BMW should also go with manual ..

While they are at it ... if they could get it down to 1M curb weight ....

[M3 Adjuster]

Originally Posted by DarkstarZero

It's not just the cost of the cars, BMW has to pay the NHTSA for each crash test. And being a government organization, I doubt they have competitive pricing.

500 manuals is a bit optimistic. The majority of M2s are DCT. If they sold 1,000 M2 CS's in DCT and Manual in NA, which would mean something like 5,000 total around the world. I'd estimate only 350 of them would be Manual, in the US. So yeah, the bean counters would not be happy.

Which is why I hope BMW does it anyway, for us, the loyalists, the purists, the enthusiasts, the demographic the car was designed for.

Agreed .. and It's not about making money hand over fist at the level of cars like these.

The bread and butter is in SAVS.. BMW led the field here and has let competitors catch up and pass them and is now really going to market hard with X Models.

Fortunately they are still making coupes and sedans ...

While BMW doesn't have the " halo car " that everyone want, however a lot of special editions and variants can definitely keep the M crowd happy and provide a lot of sizzle for the lower models in the lineup to sell down to.

[Lotus99]

To those of us who still love our manuals... Know that that Porsche GT boss is on our side...

http://www.autoguide.com/auto-news/2...lap-times.html

[Gatte]

Originally Posted by Lotus99

To those of us who still love our manuals... Know that that Porsche GT boss is on our side...

http://www.autoguide.com/auto-news/2...lap-times.html

He's on our side on everything other than the price.

[Verdi]

Originally Posted by M3 Adjuster

While they are at it ... if they could get it down to 1M curb weight ....

I thought the 1M and the M2 already had the same weight.

http://www.zeperfs.com/en/fiche3711-bmw-1m.htm
http://www.zeperfs.com/en/fiche5974-bmw-m2.htm

That is, if you don't spec it with electric seats, DCT and glass roof...

[Advevo]

The m4 CS costs 40.000 euro more then an normal one! Crazy!

i am holding my breath for the m2 CS.

I rather see an M2 With a manual and a b58 engine for normal money!

[mmmpassion]

Originally Posted by Advevo

The m4 CS costs 40.000 euro more then an normal one! Crazy!

i am holding my breath for the m2 CS.

I rather see an M2 With a manual and a b58 engine for normal money!

Exactly my thoughts. Based on reviews of 340i and m240i 6MT reviews and owners, B58 is superior in response and lag issues and also a bit more powerful compared with N55. Furthermore if M2 CS will only be available with DCT, normal M2 with 6MT remains more exclusive.

Add. performance of M4 CS will be mainly based on Michelin Cup 2. These tires are now also available in BMW (Star-) specification for M2 in 245/35-19 and 265/35-19 (see Tire Rack). 35-40t euros more is a joke when you compare with M3 E46 CSL with real lightweight components, alpha N, airbox, spec. sus. components and limited production. I hope BMW is doing good business but without me.. .

[zenmaster]

I'd expect at least an M4 : M4 CS proportional premium for the M2 CS without dealer markups. Price should be proportionately higher however due to that increased engine cost.

[Black Gold]

Originally Posted by Gatte

Used GT4s if they were not over a 100K right now. Was counting on the M2 CS but looks like it might not get a manual so...

Summer pricing. Will be much cheaper closer to winter.

I am shopping for a 3rd car also. Personally I'm going with a manual m2 instead of the cs now that it's auto only. I want the extra space for my son, so I can enjoy it with my family.

[N54]

Originally Posted by Black Gold

I'm going with a manual m2 instead of the cs now that it's auto only. I want the extra space for my son, so I can enjoy it with my family.

Has it been 100% confirmed M2 CS will be DCT only ?

[Artemis]

Originally Posted by Advevo

The m4 CS costs 40.000 euro more then an normal one! Crazy!
i am holding my breath for the m2 CS.
I rather see an M2 With a manual and a b58 engine for normal money!

As indicated in the past: E46 M3 price (± €40K) x ±1.5 = E46 M3 CSL price (± €60K).

Seems that for the M4 CS (€116K) BMW also quotes ±150% of the M4 price (and mind you: several goodies are optional).

My guesstimate for the M2 CS pricing remains: M2 price x ±1.5 = M2 CS price.

[Artemis]

Originally Posted by Lotus99

To those of us who still love our manuals... Know that that Porsche GT boss is on our side...
http://www.autoguide.com/auto-news/2...lap-times.html

Gotta admit that, if I were in the market for a car in the M4 CS price-range, the 'M-DCT only' fact would be a deal breaker for me. Maybe I change my mind in the future - with my current mindset I prefer rowing gears with a manual transmission.

Hopefully BMW offers a manual transmission option for the M2 CS.

By the way, small creature comfort detail: alike the M4 GTS, the M4 CS has no centre armrest.

[Bluenose-2er]

Originally Posted by mmmpassion

Based on reviews of 340i and m240i 6MT reviews and owners, B58 is superior in response and lag issues and also a bit more powerful compared with N55.

First I have heard of lag issues with the N55.

[medphysdave]

I'm still expecting the M2 CS with all options other than the CCB to just break 70k.

I like how the people who jumped on the wait list early will be rewarded with an exclusive color.

The mention of the M2 CS in 2019 makes me wonder if the expected order of CS and GTS will be flipped to reflect how they were released for the M4. Or maybe the M2 just won't get a GTS model.

It certainly seems like the CS version is not targeted at replacing the base version.

Overall, I like it.

[Black Gold]

Originally Posted by N54

Has it been 100% confirmed M2 CS will be DCT only ?

The ynglun (or something like that) guy who is a Bmw insider and posts updated on here stated that the m4 cs would be dct only, which it is. He also said that all 40 M2 CS test mules are dct and he is not aware of any plans for a manual. He's also almost always right on his intel.

So it's of course possible, but seems incredibly unlikely.

[oldmanstyle]

Originally Posted by Verdi

I thought the 1M and the M2 already had the same weight.

http://www.zeperfs.com/en/fiche3711-bmw-1m.htm
http://www.zeperfs.com/en/fiche5974-bmw-m2.htm

That is, if you don't spec it with electric seats, DCT and glass roof...

M2's aren't weighing close to that claimed DIN weight. Stripper US models (no DCT/sunroof, but a few options like electric seats, etc) are around 3450 lbs.

[mmmpassion]

Originally Posted by Bluenose-2er

First I have heard of lag issues with the N55.

http://f87.bimmerpost.com/forums/sho....php?t=1322317
http://f87.bimmerpost.com/forums/sho....php?t=1375357

[Robin_NL]

Originally Posted by oldmanstyle

M2's aren't weighing close to that claimed DIN weight. Stripper US models (no DCT/sunroof, but a few options like electric seats, etc) are around 3450 lbs.

I weighed my:
-M2 DCT
- no sunroof
- no electric seats
- electric lumbar support
- 640M 18 inch wintersetup 235f and 255 r Alpins
- a bit less than half a tank fuel, needle 1mm to the left from middle @ gauge.

@ Papenburg Mercedes testtrack Germany 10 days ago.

1562kgs/ 3434lbs.

F/R & L/R balance don't remember values but it was nearly perfect.
Taking pictures is not allowed(prototypes driving around overthere)

FWIW

Cheers
Robin

[oldmanstyle]

Originally Posted by Robin_NL

I weighed my:
-M2 DCT
- no sunroof
- no electric seats
- electric lumbar support
- 640M 18 inch wintersetup 235f and 255 r Alpins
- a bit less than half a tank fuel, needle 1mm to the left from middle @ gauge.

@ Papenburg Mercedes testtrack Germany 10 days ago.

1562kgs/ 3434lbs.

F/R & L/R balance don't remember values but it was nearly perfect.
Taking pictures is not allowed(prototypes driving around overthere)

FWIW

Cheers
Robin

Thanks for posting numbers. That would be about 3480 lbs with a full tank of gas. Subtract 45 lbs for DCT (I think 45 lbs is correct, going off memory here) and it's roughly 3435 lbs.