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      11-04-2019, 10:40 PM   #155
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Car looks wank

Literally what I predicted, a regular M2C with the M-Performance catalogue thrown in, a tune and a few other gimmicks.. Really nothing special

Call me a hater or a troll but this is just super lazy from BMW. Zero innovation.

Only thing I like are the M4 CS seats and the center console trim. Rest looks tacky and boy racery. Nothing iconic or special about it.

For what they'll charge for it, there's countless better cars you can get.
I mean, what did you expect?

A 911 T is a 911 with a bunch of stuff removed ala a CSL.

You either add stuff or remove stuff. If you do almost anything more than that it stops being an M2.
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I’m surprised no one is crystal balling the weight of this car ....
Prediction: Too heavy for it to matter.
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I've owned a 2017 M2 and now currently a 2019 M2C. At $80K+ dealer markup, my money (and deposit) is on the C8 Corvette. My M2C maybe the last M car I will own, especially with the grossly large kidneys in the near future.

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I've owned a 2017 M2 and now currently a 2019 M2C. At $80K+ dealer markup, my money (and deposit) is on the C8 Corvette. My M2C maybe the last M car I will own, especially with the grossly large kidneys in the near future.

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It has to be either a C8 'Vette or a 991.2 for the price. These will sit on lots. The time to grab one is next year when BMW starts blowing them out to move them.
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I mean, what did you expect?

A 911 T is a 911 with a bunch of stuff removed ala a CSL.

You either add stuff or remove stuff. If you do almost anything more than that it stops being an M2.
What did I expect? A lot more than this.

M2 CS has similar production numbers of the 1M. That car was a lot more unique than its closest alternative.

It's not sleek, elegant or sporty. It literally looks like a riced up version of a regular M2.

The specc'd model in op's pictures is also terrible. The exterior screams Subaru and the interior is a copy and paste of the 1M.

I've owned a clone of the spoiler and let me tell you, it only looks good on very few angles. M2 rear is fat and bulky, you really don't want to add other stuff that raises its profile. BMW didn't even bother to get rid of those ugly ass cow udders. Just lazy.

Perhaps, 'Rice' is back in fashion, I don't know but this car certainly doesn't move me. Some might say I'm salty because I don't own the 'Newest M2' anymore but I sure as hell would never pay premium price to get it.

Specc'd in the right way, M2CS can be a good looking car but it just doesn't live up to BMW's limited edition hype. Like, I can't see anyone 10-20 years from now reviewing this car and being mind blown like with a CSL or a 1M.

If this is your first M2, you'll 100% love it. If you've already owned an M2, more so a M2C, and you're getting this car then you're an idiot.
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I agree with you. The only special feature is the size. The weight is still most likely high meaning 3500+ lbs.

If I am spending $80k it won't be on super awesome 2 series because at that budget I am in 911 land and can even get a killer deal on m3/4 cs.

If this car was 3300 lbs then it would be much more interesting. I still don't understand why is it so damn heavy.
Original F87 DCT (without sunroof) is about 1582kg in AUDM form, the M2 CS is 1575kg with that many carbon fibre parts and weight reduction tricks (I know it has the S55, it's carrying a CS badge...).
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What did I expect? A lot more than this.

M2 CS has similar production numbers of the 1M. That car was a lot more unique than its closest alternative.

It's not sleek, elegant or sporty. It literally looks like a riced up version of a regular M2.

The specc'd model in op's pictures is also terrible. The exterior screams Subaru and the interior is a copy and paste of the 1M.

I've owned a clone of the spoiler and let me tell you, it only looks good on very few angles. M2 rear is fat and bulky, you really don't want to add other stuff that raises its profile. BMW didn't even bother to get rid of those ugly ass cow udders. Just lazy.

Perhaps, 'Rice' is back in fashion, I don't know but this car certainly doesn't move me. Some might say I'm salty because I don't own the 'Newest M2' anymore but I sure as hell would never pay premium price to get it.

Specc'd in the right way, M2CS can be a good looking car but it just doesn't live up to BMW's limited edition hype. Like, I can't see anyone 10-20 years from now reviewing this car and being mind blown like with a CSL or a 1M.

If this is your first M2, you'll 100% love it. If you've already owned an M2, more so a M2C, and you're getting this car then you're an idiot.
Can't agree more on the cow udder and M2 rear, original F87 rear with small spoiler looks good enough for most eyes. Don't forget the udder also makes the exhaust sound (stock N55 vs S55) worse...

The M2c and now the M2 CS, doesn't change the already established `M2` image anyway.

I will keep the price diff (OG M2 vs M2 CS) and use it to my a pre-owned ND MX-5 convertable in MT form for more fun (some leftover A$ as well).
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I've owned a 2017 M2 and now currently a 2019 M2C. At $80K+ dealer markup, my money (and deposit) is on the C8 Corvette. My M2C maybe the last M car I will own, especially with the grossly large kidneys in the near future.

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Did you notice a big difference between the 2017 and 2019 M2? Is it any better riding, much faster, or any real big differences?
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Do you have tools?
Wow who would've thought parts could be removed with tools.... but I am tired of fabricating cover pannels and trim pieces, something that is extremely expensive to do to a quality equal to oem levels.

Next coding out items is annoying, and ripping out wiring harnesses suck especially if they're integrated into plugs and wiring looms. It's not too bad if it's taped together since you can unravel and use a pin tool to remove it fr a connector if need be. It's bad when it's connected to other modules. You'd understand if you've ever built a fully stripped out car with an interior, a "CSL" spec, which I get the impression you've never done. If you have not to an extent where you're fabricating pannels and covers that fit oem locations and actually look good and look like they belong (color, shape, material, shine etc). It's alot easier with CAD and 3D printers now adays but alot of the times PLA or abs doesn't really blend in.

I'm at that point where I don't want to tackle these issues anymore and I think it would be great to have a car where you could pick option by option what you'd like. I also love the idea of factory racing cars like the m235ir. Anyways that's just my off topic rambles.

Overall the CS looks really good and I'm glad to see BMW isn't going soft yet, but I still think it's a bit gimmicy like an m2C with a bunch of after market parts smashed on instead of new bits BMW developed specifically for it.
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I mean, what did you expect?

A 911 T is a 911 with a bunch of stuff removed ala a CSL.

You either add stuff or remove stuff. If you do almost anything more than that it stops being an M2.
What did I expect? A lot more than this.

M2 CS has similar production numbers of the 1M. That car was a lot more unique than its closest alternative.

It's not sleek, elegant or sporty. It literally looks like a riced up version of a regular M2.

The specc'd model in op's pictures is also terrible. The exterior screams Subaru and the interior is a copy and paste of the 1M.

I've owned a clone of the spoiler and let me tell you, it only looks good on very few angles. M2 rear is fat and bulky, you really don't want to add other stuff that raises its profile. BMW didn't even bother to get rid of those ugly ass cow udders. Just lazy.

Perhaps, 'Rice' is back in fashion, I don't know but this car certainly doesn't move me. Some might say I'm salty because I don't own the 'Newest M2' anymore but I sure as hell would never pay premium price to get it.

Specc'd in the right way, M2CS can be a good looking car but it just doesn't live up to BMW's limited edition hype. Like, I can't see anyone 10-20 years from now reviewing this car and being mind blown like with a CSL or a 1M.

If this is your first M2, you'll 100% love it. If you've already owned an M2, more so a M2C, and you're getting this car then you're an idiot.
That's because the 1M is basically the M version of a 1 series. Just like an M3 to a normal 3 series.

The difference is that the 1M was limited production. Hell, the 1M still had an N54. There were no other M versions of the 1-series. So of course it's going to be unique.

An M2 CS is still, wait for it, an M2.

So I'll ask again, what did you want?
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This looks great. I actually like the blue. But I'd have to get the colour of the wheels changed to dark silver if I went for the blue. The black wheels would look really good with white though. Contrast machine.

Asked dealer for a price, he doesn't know yet but is going to let me know. Should be a future classic.
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Do you have tools?
Wow who would've thought parts could be removed with tools.... but I am tired of fabricating cover pannels and trim pieces, something that is extremely expensive to do to a quality equal to oem levels.

Next coding out items is annoying, and ripping out wiring harnesses suck especially if they're integrated into plugs and wiring looms. It's not too bad if it's taped together since you can unravel and use a pin tool to remove it fr a connector if need be. It's bad when it's connected to other modules. You'd understand if you've ever built a fully stripped out car with an interior, a "CSL" spec, which I get the impression you've never done. If you have not to an extent where you're fabricating pannels and covers that fit oem locations and actually look good and look like they belong (color, shape, material, shine etc). It's alot easier with CAD and 3D printers now adays but alot of the times PLA or abs doesn't really blend in.

I'm at that point where I don't want to tackle these issues anymore and I think it would be great to have a car where you could pick option by option what you'd like. I also love the idea of factory racing cars like the m235ir. Anyways that's just my off topic rambles.

Overall the CS looks really good and I'm glad to see BMW isn't going soft yet, but I still think it's a bit gimmicy like an m2C with a bunch of after market parts smashed on instead of new bits BMW developed specifically for it.
You wanted a bare bones track focused car. That's not even a CSL, that's a GTS.
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You wanted a bare bones track focused car. That's not even a CSL, that's a GTS.
Yeah you're totally correct, I just thought that's how the CS would be since BMW said they're retiring the CSL name and I thought since BMW was making this as the final m2 it'd be hard core since the m2C fills in middle gap between the m2 and m2cs.
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Stunning. I think its exactly what the M2 should've always been. They added adaptive dampers and though I think it could/should be even wider, is now looks much more of a proper M car, especially with those wheels, gorgeous carbon roof and hood.

Also, I dont see it starting at much more than a base MSRP of $72k. It doesnt seem differentiated enough from the M2C to be much more than that and BMW has to have learned their lesson after the massive incentives needed to sell any M4CS after it was announced with a ridiculous MSRP.

Still, this is a new world where $72k gets you epic performance in a C8 Corvette not to mention a GT500 with its 760hp, DCT and similar ability to be a daily driver.
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Not feeling that color at all on this car. Bleh and definitely not combined with gold and red on the calipers. Why oh why such a clown specification. Let's wait and see when I see it live at LAAS. I hope it looks a bit better, but I am worried my mums X2 color on a M2.

Quite amazed about some of the marketing bla bla bla in the press release info...

New differential? Some are reporting this... Not in a 1000 years. Just the same maybe recalibrated. Where can I get the software?

Three radiators, an oil cooler, two pumps in the oil pan, oil sump baffle... Doesn't the M2C have most of this already?

Transmission oil cooler (when equipped with DCT)... Isn't that standard on a M2C with DCT?

The carbon tunnel in the interior is lovely... I need one of those hahaha that is so cool.

Steel subframe bolted to the body frame without bushings... Interesting, that I can add to my car as well if it has a big impact.

Forged aluminum rear five-link suspension control arms and wheel hubs.... Also interesting to see these. Easy replacement on our M2C's.

15.75-inch vented rotors with 6-piston fixed calipers up front & 14.96-inch vented rotors with 4-piston calipers in rear.... In what way I am I reading here the exact same specs as my M sport brake kit? I have a feeling these are just our (in US stock) M Sport brakes.

Did anyone notice the exhaust? Is that the same exhaust as currently with just different end pipes?

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Yeah the exhausttips. love them.

In bold. That's already on our M2/C. Dunno aubout the wheelhubs though...
Adaptive suspension is different from our cars.
And that carbon tunnel console, the rest we(or ROW/US cars) already have.

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An amalgam of F8x and m performance catalogue parts

I like the idea but can't help feel it's a bit late in the cycle, not just for m2, but even the s55

This is no 1M
It's purposefully late in the cycle because it will probably be the swan song for the current generation M2.

Given that the 1M is a parts bin car with a borrowed engine from a Z4 and many M3 components, the M2 certainly exists as a spiritual successor. We have pretty short memories because "purists" derided the 1M for being a non-m car with an M badge. Now it's a classic, but hindsight is 20/20. The M2 is currently the purest traditional M car, and the M2 CS will likely be the best version yet.
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it says bolted subframe directly wo bushings... isnt that all m cars at this point?
Yep. M2/M2C for sure.

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Nope — that's a pretty massive deal that will create a lot of NVH. Maybe the M4 and prev M3 GTS were.
Incorrect sorry. It's on both M2 and M2C already.

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Damn, car looks great. This car is going to be over 100k, M3/M4 CS money with a monthly payment up the ass. 444 hp on this car and you put it side by side on a racetrack or 1/4 mile with the M4 CS, the M2 is going to keep up big time.
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I kinda wanted a barebones model, no idrive, no ac or climate controls, no radio or speakers, no power seats or seat heaters, no power mirrors or power windows. A super bare bones track focused car. But that's just me.
So you want a track car? Those already exist:

https://www.bmw-motorsport.com/en/to...acing-cup.html

Something close:

https://www.2addicts.com/forums/show....php?t=1607481
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That's gorgeous. Well done, BMW.
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I'm a fan, just like I'd be a fan of an M2c with m-perf parts. Don't know why there's so much complaining, we literally had all this info beforehand, now we just have pics to prove it.

The real test comes with the price. >$75K (which may be ambitious) and it doesn't make sense beyond being a collectors car due to scarcity, which I'm not in the market for. I'm looking to drive my car. Even at $75K, that's nearly $20K more than my ED MSRP. I start to look at opportunity costs. I can add a set of used HRE's ($5K), BM3 ($600), KW3 ($3K), DPs ($600), and other cosmetics (~$2K) and save myself $8K while having a unique build.

Sure, I'll miss out on some nifty options, but I wish BMW truly took a page out of Porsche's book and let me option some of these components a la carte rather than forcing the buyer to go "all or nothing" with a limited model. I imagine the take rate on something like a CF roof for $3K would be incredibly high if offered on the M2c. The CS moniker and pricing has not been very successful for the past for BMW, wish they'd learn from their mistakes.
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it says bolted subframe directly wo bushings... isnt that all m cars at this point?
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Nope — that's a pretty massive deal that will create a lot of NVH. Maybe the M4 and prev M3 GTS were.
Incorrect sorry. It's on both M2 and M2C already.

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