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I've owned a 2017 M2 and now currently a 2019 M2C. At $80K+ dealer markup, my money (and deposit) is on the C8 Corvette. My M2C maybe the last M car I will own, especially with the grossly large kidneys in the near future.
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M2 CS has similar production numbers of the 1M. That car was a lot more unique than its closest alternative. It's not sleek, elegant or sporty. It literally looks like a riced up version of a regular M2. The specc'd model in op's pictures is also terrible. The exterior screams Subaru and the interior is a copy and paste of the 1M. I've owned a clone of the spoiler and let me tell you, it only looks good on very few angles. M2 rear is fat and bulky, you really don't want to add other stuff that raises its profile. BMW didn't even bother to get rid of those ugly ass cow udders. Just lazy. Perhaps, 'Rice' is back in fashion, I don't know but this car certainly doesn't move me. Some might say I'm salty because I don't own the 'Newest M2' anymore but I sure as hell would never pay premium price to get it. Specc'd in the right way, M2CS can be a good looking car but it just doesn't live up to BMW's limited edition hype. Like, I can't see anyone 10-20 years from now reviewing this car and being mind blown like with a CSL or a 1M. If this is your first M2, you'll 100% love it. If you've already owned an M2, more so a M2C, and you're getting this car then you're an idiot. |
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The M2c and now the M2 CS, doesn't change the already established `M2` image anyway. I will keep the price diff (OG M2 vs M2 CS) and use it to my a pre-owned ND MX-5 convertable in MT form for more fun (some leftover A$ as well).
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Wow who would've thought parts could be removed with tools.... but I am tired of fabricating cover pannels and trim pieces, something that is extremely expensive to do to a quality equal to oem levels.
Next coding out items is annoying, and ripping out wiring harnesses suck especially if they're integrated into plugs and wiring looms. It's not too bad if it's taped together since you can unravel and use a pin tool to remove it fr a connector if need be. It's bad when it's connected to other modules. You'd understand if you've ever built a fully stripped out car with an interior, a "CSL" spec, which I get the impression you've never done. If you have not to an extent where you're fabricating pannels and covers that fit oem locations and actually look good and look like they belong (color, shape, material, shine etc). It's alot easier with CAD and 3D printers now adays but alot of the times PLA or abs doesn't really blend in. I'm at that point where I don't want to tackle these issues anymore and I think it would be great to have a car where you could pick option by option what you'd like. I also love the idea of factory racing cars like the m235ir. Anyways that's just my off topic rambles. Overall the CS looks really good and I'm glad to see BMW isn't going soft yet, but I still think it's a bit gimmicy like an m2C with a bunch of after market parts smashed on instead of new bits BMW developed specifically for it.
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The difference is that the 1M was limited production. Hell, the 1M still had an N54. There were no other M versions of the 1-series. So of course it's going to be unique. An M2 CS is still, wait for it, an M2. So I'll ask again, what did you want? |
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This looks great. I actually like the blue. But I'd have to get the colour of the wheels changed to dark silver if I went for the blue. The black wheels would look really good with white though. Contrast machine.
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Yeah you're totally correct, I just thought that's how the CS would be since BMW said they're retiring the CSL name and I thought since BMW was making this as the final m2 it'd be hard core since the m2C fills in middle gap between the m2 and m2cs.
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Stunning. I think its exactly what the M2 should've always been. They added adaptive dampers and though I think it could/should be even wider, is now looks much more of a proper M car, especially with those wheels, gorgeous carbon roof and hood.
Also, I dont see it starting at much more than a base MSRP of $72k. It doesnt seem differentiated enough from the M2C to be much more than that and BMW has to have learned their lesson after the massive incentives needed to sell any M4CS after it was announced with a ridiculous MSRP. Still, this is a new world where $72k gets you epic performance in a C8 Corvette not to mention a GT500 with its 760hp, DCT and similar ability to be a daily driver. |
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In bold. That's already on our M2/C. Dunno aubout the wheelhubs though... Adaptive suspension is different from our cars. And that carbon tunnel console, the rest we(or ROW/US cars) already have. Cheers Robin |
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Given that the 1M is a parts bin car with a borrowed engine from a Z4 and many M3 components, the M2 certainly exists as a spiritual successor. We have pretty short memories because "purists" derided the 1M for being a non-m car with an M badge. Now it's a classic, but hindsight is 20/20. The M2 is currently the purest traditional M car, and the M2 CS will likely be the best version yet.
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Damn, car looks great. This car is going to be over 100k, M3/M4 CS money with a monthly payment up the ass. 444 hp on this car and you put it side by side on a racetrack or 1/4 mile with the M4 CS, the M2 is going to keep up big time.
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https://www.bmw-motorsport.com/en/to...acing-cup.html Something close: https://www.2addicts.com/forums/show....php?t=1607481
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I'm a fan, just like I'd be a fan of an M2c with m-perf parts. Don't know why there's so much complaining, we literally had all this info beforehand, now we just have pics to prove it.
The real test comes with the price. >$75K (which may be ambitious) and it doesn't make sense beyond being a collectors car due to scarcity, which I'm not in the market for. I'm looking to drive my car. Even at $75K, that's nearly $20K more than my ED MSRP. I start to look at opportunity costs. I can add a set of used HRE's ($5K), BM3 ($600), KW3 ($3K), DPs ($600), and other cosmetics (~$2K) and save myself $8K while having a unique build. Sure, I'll miss out on some nifty options, but I wish BMW truly took a page out of Porsche's book and let me option some of these components a la carte rather than forcing the buyer to go "all or nothing" with a limited model. I imagine the take rate on something like a CF roof for $3K would be incredibly high if offered on the M2c. The CS moniker and pricing has not been very successful for the past for BMW, wish they'd learn from their mistakes. |
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Found this :" Haven't seen this discussed much - the direct connection of the rear suspension without bushings is a big deal. Chris Harris called it "the elixir of motoring" when he reviewed the M4. The lack of bushings provided an unprecedented connection between his foot and the rear wheels. "
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