[Jackie Chiles]

Originally Posted by pit1

Numbers shumbers...it's all about engagement and passion. Time will tell if the M2 will bring it, but if history tells us anything...

Too early
/thread

Agreed.

For many of us the real issue will be the fun to dollar ratio.

I doubt we will ever see a side to side test to see which one has better steering feel, higher cornering capacity and the best power band. That's really too bad, because it looks as though Dinan's M235i and the M2 could be great competitors albeit each with strengths in different areas.

Other than that, I too have nothing of value to add to this thread.

[Mr_Teutonic]

Originally Posted by Midwest M235i

And fanboys wear blinders....

There's nothing wrong with being a fanboy if you're well informed. Your argument is overreaching and nonsensical. You're comparing apples and oranges.

[SDKevin]

Originally Posted by Hazey82

If you are are you even considering a m235i vs an M2 then you don't deserve a M2

Hahahaha, and so it begins.

[jesraele]

My tune is better with 439 hp and 476 ftlb torque




oh btw, I only paid 900 bucks for this STREET TUNE, and 150 for dyno afterwards..

only mods I did performance wise are full turbo back aftermarket exhaust with Hi Flo catted DP and CAI, and some aero parts.

future mods to add: intercooler, oil cooler, boost and charge pipe, wider tires... and maybe after 5-10 years, a bigger turbo.. but for now?

I FREAKIN LOVE MY m235i! and OMG she pulls!

[mc3456]

Seriously...is this even a question??? Obviously, the M2 would be much better than a modified Dinan M235i. Besides, you can start with a much higher base to modify to even loftier levels.

[jesraele]

Originally Posted by mc3456

Seriously...is this even a question??? Obviously, the M2 would be much better than a modified Dinan M235i. Besides, you can start with a much higher base to modify to even loftier levels.

in MY opinion, the only difference the m2 will have is a bigger turbo and much much better body (wide body) which in turn can accommodate wider tires.. max for m235i is 235 front 255 rear which is really bad..

[Gibson6594]

Originally Posted by jesraele

in MY opinion, the only difference the m2 will have is a bigger turbo and much much better body (wide body) which in turn can accommodate wider tires.. max for m235i is 235 front 255 rear which is really bad..

The M division goes much further than adding a turbo/tune and body kit.

You can learn more in this documentary, it's a good watch:

[jesraele]

Originally Posted by Gibson6594

The M division goes much further than adding a turbo/tune and body kit.

You can learn more in this documentary, it's a good watch:

That was a good watch, trust me i would love to have the m2, for its looks and reputation, but for me it will be too expensive to own to reach what i want it to have..

[jc9elfer]

Originally Posted by Petrosexual

Pondering the choice of a Dinan-tuned 235i vs the stock M2... on paper the Dinan235 handily beats the M2, especially for Torque. ...the stage-1 tuned 235 is carrying nnearly 16% less weight for each ft-lb of twist available.




I realize I would have to throw about $7000 at the 235 to equip it with the right go-fast hardware: LSD, M Perf Brake kit, Dinan tune above, and that brings it close to the M2 price, as I understand it... correctly me if I'm worng there?

Granted, the M2 will include all the proper go-fast gear as standard equipment, it will have bragging rights, and different /possibly better aesthetics.

I also recognize that Dinan & others will have tunes for M2 eventually, probably very close to the 235 numbers, since it's basically the same N55,

So, you're back to aesthetics, the much abused M badge, a significant wait, and a small weight savings arguing for the M2, vesus have-it-now for the 235.

Amusing side note: the Ferrari 458 factors in at 5.48 lb/hp, but 8.23 lb/torque...both tunes on the 235i give you more twist-per-pound than a 458 (!)

Any thoughts?

the numbers are interesting, I have considered the math several time, but I do agree that the M2 will be the only real "M"....and I assume it will be worth waiting for.....and then I may still go to Dinan

[Sidebrowns]

Originally Posted by Gibson6594

The M division goes much further than adding a turbo/tune and body kit.

You can learn more in this documentary, it's a good watch:

vid

lol I just posted that video the other night in the "peel back the camouflage thread" for the same reason.

[IS3andME]

Originally Posted by jesraele

in MY opinion, the only difference the m2 will have is a bigger turbo and much much better body (wide body) which in turn can accommodate wider tires.. max for m235i is 235 front 255 rear which is really bad..

Do you have an LSD? The M2 has the M Diff from the M3/M4 and the subframe along with the suspension of the M3/M4---which means wider body.

In another post, you said that it would be too expensive to reach what you want to have, but you are planning a ton of mods, that will of course void the warranty (it the tune hasn't already). These kids will cost over the long run, which if you look at it, it would be cheaper to have the M2.

So, what is you goal? 500 hp? 600? If 500, you could get a Mustang GT350 or a used C6 Z06.

[Groundpilot]

Originally Posted by auf Deutsch

I'd like to know where that 3352 wt figure originates from.

Can anyone answer this question?

[jesraele]

Originally Posted by IS3andME

Do you have an LSD? The M2 has the M Diff from the M3/M4 and the subframe along with the suspension of the M3/M4---which means wider body.

In another post, you said that it would be too expensive to reach what you want to have, but you are planning a ton of mods, that will of course void the warranty (it the tune hasn't already). These kids will cost over the long run, which if you look at it, it would be cheaper to have the M2.

So, what is you goal? 500 hp? 600? If 500, you could get a Mustang GT350 or a used C6 Z06.

Yes i still plan on putting more mods to my car, BuT if i did have the m2, it doesnt mean i would settle for what it has, i would STILL put mods on that car, which would cost even more, like aftermarket exhausts and stoptech brakes and rotors and such.. The cost of my m235i modded will be the same price as a fully loaded m2 out the dealership non modded.. And no, the tune i got disnt void my warranty, this has been tested


And oh, nothing compares to a bmw driving experience, so i would never switch to a mustang or corvette

[ABPReader]

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[Artemis]

Originally Posted by jet_00

What is great in this thread is that we learn that a M2 will always be a M2. That's great, my biggest fear was that this car becomes a Toyota Prius after years

You know that that was a reference to the question raised by OP: one may mod an M235i as much as (s)he wants, it won't become an M2. If M2 performance and body is your kinda thing, then get an M2. If one fancies more power and torque, then get an M2 and mod it, or get another car.

[ABPReader]

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[Artemis]

Originally Posted by jet_00

Oh sh*t, the dealer lied me !
one may mod an M235i as much as (s)he wants, it still remains an M235i and most are very happy with that, trust me or not. Maybe posers or some retarded teenagers buy a x35i and want it to become a ///MX.
Don't get me wrong, for what I have seen for the moment I love the M2 (except the front bumper). If it was available one year earlier, I probably would have bought one.
It just makes no sense when we are comparing things that we don't even know.

+1

And to avoid any misunderstanding: IMHO the M235i, alike the 135i, is great value for money. Most over here on 1addicts/2addicts (may) know that I respect other forum fellows, their choices and views, regardless whether I do/don't subscribe to those choices/views (and so even if they say that Long Beach Blue is a gorgeous colour ).

[JaF22MPower]

Originally Posted by chaddy74

Really Common ? We are attempting to compare and talk about a car that hasn't even been launched yet !! Dinan M235i ?? Spend $1000 dollars on a nice downpipe and a JB4 tune and you will blow a Dinan tuned car off the road !

Not looking to start an argument but I feel like Dinan receives too much hate, just because of the money. A Dinan tuned BMW does not get blown off the road by a JB4. In fact, its just the opposite. I have an S2 M235i 6MT and fiend of mine has a JB4 + downpipes M235i. When we have done roll races and the JB4 equipped car losses by multiple car lengths (both with and without E85). Here is a video of the Dinan 2er going against my friends M4 DCT. Yes I lost but id say its pretty darn good race giving the fact we all know how much of a beast the M4 is as well as how much an advantage these autos give nowadays!

And as far to add something to the topic, as much as I love my M235i, I don't think it'll feel as special as the M2 will, power output aside. The car will hopefully be much more nimble, lighter, and aggressive making it all that much better to drive!

[PrematureApex]

Originally Posted by mc3456

Seriously...is this even a question??? Obviously, the M2 would be much better than a modified Dinan M235i. Besides, you can start with a much higher base to modify to even loftier levels.

And why is that obvious? A BMW exec is on record as publically stating the differnce in performance of an M235 and an M2 will be incremental. With the availability of a LSD with the M2, why is it so hard to believe that a tuned M235 isn't going to out perform a stock M2?

Oh, that's right, you have no basis in that assumption, at all.

[mc3456]

Originally Posted by PrematureApex

And why is that obvious? A BMW exec is on record as publically stating the differnce in performance of an M235 and an M2 will be incremental. With the availability of a LSD with the M2, why is it so hard to believe that a tuned M235 isn't going to out perform a stock M2?

Oh, that's right, you have no basis in that assumption, at all.

My basis in assumption is that I've seen published tests of tuner modified (Dinan specifically) in the past and they are barely quicker than stock despite their significant horsepower for ridiculous cost increase claims.

Count me and most others skeptical about Dinan's "highly-engineered" solutions. What is obvious is that any reasonable person knows that BMW's R&D will be much more robust than Dinan's and to think otherwise is just plain ignorant.

I tuned my GF's M235i and it is a significant improvement from stock, but in no way shape or form will it ever rival an actual M2 when it finally makes it's public reveal.

[PrematureApex]

Originally Posted by mc3456

I tuned my GF's M235i and it is a significant improvement from stock, but in no way shape or form will it ever rival an actual M2 when it finally makes it's public reveal.

Which again, is a completely unsupported statement. You, IN FACT, have absolutely no idea what the M2 will bring to the table, performance wise. Period. You got called out for a completely baseless statement, and attempted to defend it with yet another.

I mean, while I'm looking forward to an M2, and it's likely the next car we'll own...

Saying, without any support, that, say, a 350 whp M235 with an LSD and a set of coilovers wouldn't/couldn't outperform it...is...well..ridiculous.

A 135 with 50 more whp, a LSD and coilovers will out lap a 1M. And that's not taking anything away from the 1M. For some reason, you think the same can't be said for the M2?

Do tell!

And please, come back with something other than "BMW engineers are superior than the aftermarket", as that's a completely irrelevant statement.

Stop making definitive performance claims about a car which has never even been tested. Sound fair?

[PrematureApex]

Originally Posted by JaF22MPower

And as far to add something to the topic, as much as I love my M235i, I don't think it'll feel as special as the M2 will, power output aside. The car will hopefully be much more nimble, lighter, and aggressive making it all that much better to drive!

A good bet it will be.