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      10-08-2014, 12:01 PM   #23
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Most of us here are wishing for a mini M4. S55, suspension, M4 seats, M4 trans, M4 driveshaft, M4-like luxury, etc. The cost savings brought on my smaller form factor are marginal, making the margins too small for the reasonable price point.
This is a very good point and a reason why LED / HUD may not make it on the M2. We certainly aren't going to get some of the other toys which I doubt anyone really wants on an M2 anyway, like automatic trunk closer, etc.

I still think full-leather would be decently popular and you can get it on cars like the CLA45, which already have higher quality interior materials.

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The original MSRP of the 1M was around 44k...
The original MSRP was more like $47k and this did not include options like HK stereo, power seats, NAV, etc. Call it about $50k with a few options.

A well-equipped 135i was about $44k, but you could get it at a discount of at least a few thousand. On the other hand, 135i had additional equipment like DCT and moonroof. So I'd say the difference in price between the two models comparing apples for apples was about $10k.
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One additional feature I want to see: the rev-matching manual tranny from the M3/4.
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Under 50k out the door would be a miracle
Let's assume the car starts at $53k, which to me is on the high side.

ED usually entails 7% off. $53k x 93% = $49290. And we are talking about MSRP here, not including any other possible discounts. If it is $51k like I hope, then we are potentially saying ED MSRP of $47.5

Like I said, unless they offer LED, I only plan on going with metallic paint ($550) and HK ($875) so I'll be right at the limit.

But we are getting way ahead of ourselves here
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I just want to see another bare bones enthusiasts' car. All this talk of full leather and bloated technology make me want to suggest you guys pick up a 640i.

I'd like manual seats, manual transmission, alcantara accents.

Everyone cried the 1M should have had the s65 and that turned out fine; I'm not worried at all about the n55 being the powerhouse rather than the s55. Now I don't expect this to be limited production... but... if it is (which it probably won't be).... man that'd be awesome.
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One additional feature I want to see: the rev-matching manual tranny from the M3/4.
That I can most certainly do without, heal-toe FTW. Although, if it does make it, I'd expect bmw to update user controls to disable outside of sport+,
at that point I don't really care.
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All of you dreaming of a new M2 are really just dreaming about a new 1M. The M2 at a 55k MSRP is not a bargain M car and never will be. The original MSRP of the 1M was around 44k and has since appreciated a minimum of 15k as a result of it's popularity. Instead of wasting your time dreaming of a new not so "budget M" use your 55K on a lightly used 1M, which will offer much better return in the foreseeable future and will forever be a classic. If you want a budget M, the M235i is your only hope
No thanks. I actually want to drive an M2 and use it, not have a collector car like a 1M that will sit there in the garage, and have me worry about its appreciating value. Not to mention the new M components such as brakes and suspensions are an upgrade too.

My plan is to skip a lot of options, to ED and break the under $50k barrier. Let's see if that'll be possible.
or you could just not give a crap!

I drive my 1M 120 miles a day and it is my daily driver.....I don't give a crap for values or whatever.....all I care about is that I drive one of THE best cars ever made every single day and love every minute of it!
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Let's assume the car starts at $53k, which to me is on the high side.

ED usually entails 7% off. $53k x 93% = $49290. And we are talking about MSRP here, not including any other possible discounts. If it is $51k like I hope, then we are potentially saying ED MSRP of $47.5

Like I said, unless they offer LED, I only plan on going with metallic paint ($550) and HK ($875) so I'll be right at the limit.

But we are getting way ahead of ourselves here
Haha, getting way ahead of ourselves is all that we can do right now.

Wait, so are you saying that some BMW dealers will offer the ED price without doing ED? God if I could get 19 inch wheels, LED lights, upgraded audio, for 55K I'd be more than happy. I don't know if that's a realistic possibility though.
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Haha, getting way ahead of ourselves is all that we can do right now.

Wait, so are you saying that some BMW dealers will offer the ED price without doing ED? God if I could get 19 inch wheels, LED lights, upgraded audio, for 55K I'd be more than happy. I don't know if that's a realistic possibility though.
You'd have to do ED haha. This would be my first brand new car. If I'm going to go through with it, I'm doing it right. And then also do a PCD.

If you are impatient like I am and willing to pay MSRP, then who knows if that $55k mark is possible. But let's say somehow you managed to get it for $51k. 875 for hk, 1200 for wheels, and 1900 for LED (if they are even offered) and there you have it. I personally don't think you'll be that far off as we'll skip things like nav and leather, so I think it's realistic.

Who knows, BMW could come out and say the car starts at $48k, we'd all be pretty thrilled at that
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You'd have to do ED haha. This would be my first brand new car. If I'm going to go through with it, I'm doing it right. And then also do a PCD.

If you are impatient like I am and willing to pay MSRP, then who knows if that $55k mark is possible. But let's say somehow you managed to get it for $51k. 875 for hk, 1200 for wheels, and 1900 for LED (if they are even offered) and there you have it. I personally don't think you'll be that far off as we'll skip things like nav and leather, so I think it's realistic.

Who knows, BMW could come out and say the car starts at $48k, we'd all be pretty thrilled at that
I'm not gonna be thrilled at the insane markup dealers will probably charge at first due to high demand at that price. If that happens, it would almost be worth looking at a M3 since it will probably have some good discounts by then.
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I'm not gonna be thrilled at the insane markup dealers will probably charge at first due to high demand at that price. If that happens, it would almost be worth looking at a M3 since it will probably have some good discounts by then.
I feel like you can usually find a dealer that won't charge much over MSRP even if the demand is high. You may have to travel a bit to do so, however.
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You'd have to do ED haha. This would be my first brand new car. If I'm going to go through with it, I'm doing it right. And then also do a PCD.

If you are impatient like I am and willing to pay MSRP, then who knows if that $55k mark is possible. But let's say somehow you managed to get it for $51k. 875 for hk, 1200 for wheels, and 1900 for LED (if they are even offered) and there you have it. I personally don't think you'll be that far off as we'll skip things like nav and leather, so I think it's realistic.

Who knows, BMW could come out and say the car starts at $48k, we'd all be pretty thrilled at that
It's the M235i's price that makes me think that a 48K starting point is impossible, but who knows, maybe the M2 won't be that much of a step up over the M235i in terms of cost to produce.
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I feel like you can usually find a dealer that won't charge much over MSRP even if the demand is high. You may have to travel a bit to do so, however.
Well worth it though. You just have to shop around. There are definitely a few guys that found dealers that let them pay MSRP to have one of the first M3/4s in the country. Even now, half a year or so later, there's plenty of people that payed a couple of thousand over invoice.

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It's the M235i's price that makes me think that a 48K starting point is impossible, but who knows, maybe the M2 won't be that much of a step up over the M235i in terms of cost to produce.
Yea I think it's highly unlikely too. But what if BMW went to this lineup?:
228i, 235i and M2.

I don't think that's completely out of the question. If that is the case, they could technically move the 235i price down compared to the M235i, and then have the M2 come in the high 40s, very low 50s. I don't think that's completely far fetched. They have always said that the M2 is supposed to be the entry level for younger people to the M brand.

Do you remember how Chris Harris was raving about M135i hatchback, and how you could get a powerful I6 for the price of what most cars with 4 pots are going for? Imagine if BMW did that with the M2, undercutting the RS3 and CLA45AMG price.
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I feel like you can usually find a dealer that won't charge much over MSRP even if the demand is high. You may have to travel a bit to do so, however.
I would to ED and PCD (only 3 hours from me) no matter where I buy it from anyway so I guess that leaves open virtually any dealer in the US.
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That I can most certainly do without, heal-toe FTW. Although, if it does make it, I'd expect bmw to update user controls to disable outside of sport+,
at that point I don't really care.
Your toe need healing?

It's likely that rev-matching will be in effect for all modes but sport+ - that is the way it's set up on the current M3/4 IIRC.
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Yea I think it's highly unlikely too. But what if BMW went to this lineup?:
228i, 235i and M2.

I don't think that's completely out of the question. If that is the case, they could technically move the 235i price down compared to the M235i, and then have the M2 come in the high 40s, very low 50s. I don't think that's completely far fetched. They have always said that the M2 is supposed to be the entry level for younger people to the M brand.

Do you remember how Chris Harris was raving about M135i hatchback, and how you could get a powerful I6 for the price of what most cars with 4 pots are going for? Imagine if BMW did that with the M2, undercutting the RS3 and CLA45AMG price.
In terms of the lineup - I think that's exactly what will happen. Goodbye M235 - but the "middle" option will be a 240 by then and they can leave it squishy and with 320 BHP for those that like that kind of feel.

M2 comes in at 365 BHP, but has better suspension, better brakes, exhaust, and some additional/exclusive color options.

Maybe they make the price of the 240i in the $42K range and then the M2 comes in at $52K.

Even though the 1M started at 47K, I can't see the M2 starting below 50. There's some symmetry to consider as well - the M3 starts at 62K I believe - so roughly 8-10 less than that is what I would expect. Aka, 52-54 and not a ton of options to be added.
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You'd have to do ED haha. This would be my first brand new car. If I'm going to go through with it, I'm doing it right. And then also do a PCD.

If you are impatient like I am and willing to pay MSRP, then who knows if that $55k mark is possible. But let's say somehow you managed to get it for $51k. 875 for hk, 1200 for wheels, and 1900 for LED (if they are even offered) and there you have it. I personally don't think you'll be that far off as we'll skip things like nav and leather, so I think it's realistic.

Who knows, BMW could come out and say the car starts at $48k, we'd all be pretty thrilled at that
I'm not gonna be thrilled at the insane markup dealers will probably charge at first due to high demand at that price. If that happens, it would almost be worth looking at a M3 since it will probably have some good discounts by then.
My exact dilemma. I feel like if I try to wait for the M2 I won't make it because of deals available on the M3 in the mean time. But the car I really want is the M2. And what to get in the mean time?! Lease a M235i..but that will put you right at the end of the M2 production I believe.
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I sure hope they don't treat the M2 as the "entry level" M car.

I am not interested in the M2 because (some people think) it will be cheaper. I want the M2 because it's smaller and lighter, which *should* translate into better performance/responsiveness. And I don't need a big car, seeing more 4-series on the road lately and WOW they look so much wider... I do not "aspire" to buy an M4 or M5. I could afford those cars right now, but I don't want them, they are too big. If the M2 outperforms the M3/4 then I don't even mind if it costs more than an M4...

I bought my 135i because it was the right mix of size and performance, not because it was the "entry level" BMW. I don't care if my next car is a BMW or not. If they deliver on the performance, it will be. If they intentionally hobble the car so as not to upstage it's larger kin then I probably won't want one.

Also, could we start a list of things we definitely don't want on the M2? I'll start;

no Active Sound.
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My exact dilemma. I feel like if I try to wait for the M2 I won't make it because of deals available on the M3 in the mean time. But the car I really want is the M2. And what to get in the mean time?! Lease a M235i..but that will put you right at the end of the M2 production I believe.
I'm fortunate enough that I still have an E92 M3 to play with. Also added an E36 M3 just to try them out, and the M2 will most likely replace it. Personally, this is going to be my first ever car I custom order. I'll wait as long as I need to and not compromise on anything.

How about buying something like an E36 or E46 M3 to wait. The market has more or less finished bottoming out already (assuming you are OK with maintenance). I fully plan on driving my E36 for 2 years, and selling it for what I paid for it. Clean ones are hard to find, and the coupes with nicer colors always go for a premium too.
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I sure hope they don't treat the M2 as the "entry level" M car.

I am not interested in the M2 because (some people think) it will be cheaper. I want the M2 because it's smaller and lighter, which *should* translate into better performance/responsiveness. And I don't need a big car, seeing more 4-series on the road lately and WOW they look so much wider... I do not "aspire" to buy an M4 or M5. I could afford those cars right now, but I don't want them, they are too big. If the M2 outperforms the M3/4 then I don't even mind if it costs more than an M4...

I bought my 135i because it was the right mix of size and performance, not because it was the "entry level" BMW. I don't care if my next car is a BMW or not. If they deliver on the performance, it will be. If they intentionally hobble the car so as not to upstage it's larger kin then I probably won't want one.

Also, could we start a list of things we definitely don't want on the M2? I'll start;

no Active Sound.
Depends what you mean by them holding back. In a straight line or timed lap, no the M2 will not be as fast as an M3/4. We already know it's going to be down on power, and the M3/4 looks like it's seriously underrated. Them throwing an N55 in there rather than an S55 says it all.

Having said that, I agree with you that the M2 should have a more playful character. It's really no different than my E36. It only has 240hp but I'd argue it's more fun to drive than my E92 with almost twice the horsepower.

P.S. You can forget about active sound, it'll have it. But to me, that's not a deal breaker because:
1) It sounded fine on the M3/4 IRL
2) Someone will be able to code it off, so nowhere even close to enough of a reason to skip on this car.
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I sure hope they don't treat the M2 as the "entry level" M car.

I am not interested in the M2 because (some people think) it will be cheaper. I want the M2 because it's smaller and lighter, which *should* translate into better performance/responsiveness. And I don't need a big car, seeing more 4-series on the road lately and WOW they look so much wider...
+1. 4-series has gotten too big. But saving some money is a definite plus!


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I just want to see another bare bones enthusiasts' car. All this talk of full leather and bloated technology make me want to suggest you guys pick up a 640i.
IMO the point of M cars these days is to have a mix of practicality and sportiness. I already have a two seat sports car with a 6-speed manual, no power steering, coilovers, R-comp tires, etc. Plus if you don't want the luxuries, they will probably be optional anyway.
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+1. 4-series has gotten too big. But saving some money is a definite plus!




IMO the point of M cars these days is to have a mix of practicality and sportiness. I already have a two seat sports car with a 6-speed manual, no power steering, coilovers, R-comp tires, etc. Plus if you don't want the luxuries, they will probably be optional anyway.
I wouldn't be surprised if the packages were the same as the M3/M4 and came with NAV standard. They seem to market their M cars in the US as luxury/sport where in other countries you can get them way more bare-boned.
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