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      09-11-2014, 07:36 PM   #45
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Hilarious.

It's the same car as a m3 m4 with shorter wheelbase. It's prob closer to what a real m3 should feel like in terms of dynamics and size.

BMW has lost me. Same engine everywhere. What's the point. Who cares.

I have a m3. I have m4. I have m2. I have 135m. I have 1m. I have m1. I have x135 m pack!!!

It's perfect. Everyone feels special no matter what they got.
What exactly are you trying to say. All those cars have different engines and driving characteristics, except for F80/F82...
I'm saying all the new stuff is the same. And if it isn't, the branding does the rest.

My e90 m3 that I have owned for 5 years is the newest BMW I will ever own.

I don't need an x5 when a jeep grand cherokee limited is 50% cheaper (or more) and almost same price as a cayenne.

I don't need at 80k m3 when I can buy a 997 gt3 (I have one...I recommend everyone on this board stop their life and test drive one)

I don't need a 80k m3 if there is a 60k m2.

I dont need a 60k m2 of there is a 45k x1 m pack.

Catch my drift?
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      09-11-2014, 08:29 PM   #46
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I'm saying all the new stuff is the same. And if it isn't, the branding does the rest.

My e90 m3 that I have owned for 5 years is the newest BMW I will ever own.

I don't need an x5 when a jeep grand cherokee limited is 50% cheaper (or more) and almost same price as a cayenne.

I don't need at 80k m3 when I can buy a 997 gt3 (I have one...I recommend everyone on this board stop their life and test drive one)

I don't need a 80k m3 if there is a 60k m2.

I dont need a 60k m2 of there is a 45k x1 m pack.

Catch my drift?
Your drift seems to have taken you off the cliff if an x1 is now the same as the m4. Hey whatever floats your boat, you are done with the brand anyway so I'm not sure what you're doing here on the M2 board besides perhaps your need to let us know you're done with the brand.

I don't need an M5 because there is the 2 series active tourer.

I don't need a 2 series active tourer because there is a BMW bicycle.

I don't need a BMW bicycle because there is the BMW pumas.
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      09-11-2014, 11:38 PM   #49
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I'm saying all the new stuff is the same. And if it isn't, the branding does the rest.

My e90 m3 that I have owned for 5 years is the newest BMW I will ever own.

I don't need an x5 when a jeep grand cherokee limited is 50% cheaper (or more) and almost same price as a cayenne.

I don't need at 80k m3 when I can buy a 997 gt3 (I have one...I recommend everyone on this board stop their life and test drive one)

I don't need a 80k m3 if there is a 60k m2.

I dont need a 60k m2 of there is a 45k x1 m pack.

Catch my drift?
your logic is skewed at best

gt3 is full bred sports car.. M3 is an all around car that you can live with daily and still track it on the weekends.. there have been a number of people trying to get this point across but some are incapable of understanding this concept so i will leave it at that

why did you stop at the 45k 1m pack? according to you i should go buy a civic, turbocharge it to where i can have bench racer stats to argue with people like you, and then say i saved money by buying a civic over a 45k 1m pack
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      09-12-2014, 06:10 AM   #51
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Those are some funny responses to my admittedly stretched arguments. The product proliferation confuses me I guess is what I am trying to say.

But regardless wasn't trying to be overly negative. All of the BMW products are fantastic. There is just a lot of overlap.
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Here's a thought: Why don't we just appreciate the fact they're actually making an M2 and that we won't limited to an M235i.

I know that's a lot to ask on a BMW forum, but damn - lets attempt to be grateful for something.

Personally, I'm just hoping we'll get the carbon roof.
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      09-12-2014, 04:45 PM   #55
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FWIW: sound clip of two earlier M2 test mules (already featuring the quad pipe exhaust):

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Here's a thought: Why don't we just appreciate the fact they're actually making an M2 and that we won't limited to an M235i.

I know that's a lot to ask on a BMW forum, but damn - lets attempt to be grateful for something.

Personally, I'm just hoping we'll get the carbon roof.
I agree,look at how many people were saying there wouldn't be an M2 a year ago.

There will be a carbon fiber roof IMO.
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I too believe there will be a carbon roof eventually on the M2, just not on the first release. They will probably save it for an M2 GTS or like.

Rumours by Scott26 saying the next generation 2 series model could all be running on a front wheel drive platform, anything further to add Scott? If true, way to kill off a great car!

http://www.2addicts.com/forums/showthread.php?t=1034302
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      09-13-2014, 12:14 AM   #59
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your logic is skewed at best

gt3 is full bred sports car.. M3 is an all around car that you can live with daily and still track it on the weekends.. there have been a number of people trying to get this point across but some are incapable of understanding this concept so i will leave it at that

why did you stop at the 45k 1m pack? according to you i should go buy a civic, turbocharge it to where i can have bench racer stats to argue with people like you, and then say i saved money by buying a civic over a 45k 1m pack

Actually, he has a point. I have a X1 35i M-sport that was about $45k. The thing about these turbo engines that BMW is sticking in everything is that a $600 tune equalizes the engine in a $33k base X1 and a $65k 435i. And power output wise, with the new M3 and M4 (not throttle response as the S55 has inherent advantages over the N55).

My X1 is equal to the new M3 and M4 in a straight line (12.1 second quarter mile last year, now likely is high 11s) and faster around a track than the e92 M3 (1:44 around Mid-Ohio club course on 255 section street tires). I have 10 track days on it this year and have had zero issues whatsoever. Why? Because the drivetrain is the same as a 135i, 335i, m235i, 435i, 6 series, Z4, etc, etc. The e92 M3 suspension even swaps right in, subframe bushings and sway bars and all. And if you think about it, it's the exact same powertrain in a $65k 435i.

I am not ready to say it does not matter which BMW you buy, because that is obviously false. The M3 and M4 engine and chassis have benefits that you cannot simply mod onto an X1. However, BMWs cars are now so interchangeable it matters a heck of a lot less than it used to.

The S55 is interesting because there are advantages that you simply cannot get by tuning a lesser car. It's like how with the E92 M3 even though a modded 335i is faster, the throttle response and driving dynamics made it superior on the track.

But if the M2 uses a N55 engine, to me it is totally pointless. It is LITERALLY the same drivetrain in a X1. If you are interested in truly going fast, you would be much better served getting a M235i and using the leftover money to buy JRZ suspension and Stoptech brakes, while tuning the engine beyond whatever neutered power output BMW will restrict it to in order to protect the M4.

The only way a N55 M2 makes sense to me is if BMW makes extensive use of weight saving in the chassis design (CF roof, driveshaft, etc). These are things that you cannot cheaply address in a M235i through the aftermarket.

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The only way a N55 M2 makes sense to me is if BMW makes extensive use of weight saving in the chassis design (CF roof, driveshaft, etc). These are things that you cannot cheaply address in a M235i through the aftermarket.
I agree to a certain extent. Certainly, some weight saving changes can be expensive to retrofit, but not all. I also don't know that we can say with any certainty that the M2 N55 is going to be a simple tune. It still remains to be seen what exactly M division is going to change on the N55 to get the higher output. Some of those changes may be very expensive to replicate. Things like lighter weight forged pistons and rods, new intake design and different turbos are not inexpensive to retrofit to a motor. The M235 is also limited in tire sizes that can be fitted. The M2 with wider wheel arches and flared panels will have an inherent advantage in traction that will be hard to overcome.
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I'm saying all the new stuff is the same. And if it isn't, the branding does the rest.

My e90 m3 that I have owned for 5 years is the newest BMW I will ever own.

I don't need an x5 when a jeep grand cherokee limited is 50% cheaper (or more) and almost same price as a cayenne.

I don't need at 80k m3 when I can buy a 997 gt3 (I have one...I recommend everyone on this board stop their life and test drive one)

I don't need a 80k m3 if there is a 60k m2.

I dont need a 60k m2 of there is a 45k x1 m pack.

Catch my drift?


I'm right behind you on the same drift bro...
BMW has diluted themselves so much, they don't have flavor, just variety.



edt: I think that is why the M2 is so contentious, we all waiting to see if It's quintessential stuff..

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But if the M2 uses a N55 engine, to me it is totally pointless. It is LITERALLY the same drivetrain in a X1. If you are interested in truly going fast, you would be much better served getting a M235i and using the leftover money to buy JRZ suspension and Stoptech brakes, while tuning the engine beyond whatever neutered power output BMW will restrict it to in order to protect the M4.

The only way a N55 M2 makes sense to me is if BMW makes extensive use of weight saving in the chassis design (CF roof, driveshaft, etc). These are things that you cannot cheaply address in a M235i through the aftermarket.
This I agree with and have stated in the past that this shouldn't be designated an M car because of a tuned parts bin engine (N55)

However going back to the original argument of where that guy said the he might as well get this M2 over an M4... two different engines bro.. and again its the engine that makes or breaks a car
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I'll post a full review soon, but this morning, I drove to Charlotte to test drive an M4 with 6MT (these are so hard to find) and M235i.
So I drove in this order: my tuned E92 M3, M4 6MT, M235i 8AT, Boxster S 6MT.

I enjoyed the MT in the M4 and it would be my trans choice in the F80, which is the car I want. Still not as good as Porsche's MT, but no problems here.

What really surprised me is how much I enjoyed the 2er, even with AT. Today has made me realize that when BMW throws real M bits and it, it's gonna be amazing. So as of right now, I'm heavily leaning on M2.

P.S. after driving all these cars, the e9x M3 can hold its head high. It's still such a great car compared to the others I drove today
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What really surprised me is how much I enjoyed the 2er, even with AT. Today has made me realize that when BMW throws real M bits and it, it's gonna be amazing. So as of right now, I'm heavily leaning on M2.
Why? And did it feel lighter and much smaller?
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Why? And did it feel lighter and much smaller?
Not really the weight because they prob weigh the same. But just the size of the car. The 2er just felt more compact than the M4 (which is a big car, but hides it decently well). In my e36, I can touch the top of the door panel by the window no problem. It's doable in the e92 and 2er, but I can't even touch the panel on the M4, that's how wide it was. Not scientific, I know, but it kind of illustrates my point

Plus I know the M3/4 will always be faster, but the M235i on the streets didn't feel that much alower to me. Personally, I'll have a very hard time getting rid of my e92 (the engine is still the most special of all cars I drove yesterday), so I'd rather add the M2, than just get an f80. That of course can change because I do have car ADD.
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