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For instance, you can install a carbon fiber roof on a Competition but the hack job that would be required, makes me cringe, which would not bode well with my OCD because humans are inherently flawed.. Whereas, a CS comes with a carbon fiber roof, from the factory, that hypothetically one can jump on top of and do the Macarena, yet not leave a scratch. Point being, If you're the anal-retentive type and would get chills of the thought of some hourly worker, cutting up your car, to add a roof and would probably have to end up spending on therapy anyways, as a result, 25k might be worth it, to some.. Same as the Adaptive Suspension, I see the ordeal some folks that have it stock, has to go through to add aftermarket HAS dampers because the the electronic suspension was so intergraded, with the vehicle's program and worked in tandem with a slew of alphabet vehicle logic; from DSC, VSS, EPS, ABS, ect. Adding Adaptive Dampers is virtually impossible to retrofit, outside of the factory because the set software is different to that of static dampers. Once again, maybe some don't see the benefits to the CS add-on and can be better suited for a Competition, heck, maybe even a fully-loaded 230i might fit the bill but if the CS is something you wouldn't mind spending your pennies on, that's up to the individual and a sweet buy, IMHO. |
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Let's be honest. Marginal gains cost, but this is quite an extreme example due to the exclusivity.
What is it, 10s faster around the Nring than the M2C? What that, approx 10/450 seconds Nring time? 2.2% time performance enhancement 50% price Those that can afford it will, just because.
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05-10-2020, 04:36 PM | #26 | |
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On the M2 CS release day (Nov 6), a Belgian YouTuber posted an M2 CS walkaround video (see here); he mentioned (02:35-02:40) that the M2 CS laps the Nürburgring "8 seconds faster than the M2 Competition". M2 Competition lap time:
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My original plan of getting the M2CS was to use it as a daily driver. But man, it has now dawned on me that would have been a terrible decision. If I were to own one, it would be a garage queen for sure! Honestly, the exclusivity is the biggest factor going for it. I don't really track my cars and I do like the carbon bits, which can be added to a regular M2C.
Just can't justify driving a M2CS as a daily, when the M2C does the same in this specific use case. I've been bingeing(sp?) with watching e30 evos and videos from EAG. None of these e30s have excess miles and boy did they appreciate like crazy.
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You nailed it. The vast majority of M2CS will never sniff a track. Ironic, considering the more ‘track-focused’ cars get, the more they tend to sit in the garage. Regarding your grammar question . . . you were ‘binge watching.’ ///AVM |
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05-10-2020, 07:07 PM | #32 | |
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BMW M lap times (source: here)
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It'd only make sense for M2CS to be closer to M4CS, given the same tyre (albeit narrower), similar suspension setup and power rating. For a long track like the ring, power, suspension and tyre upgrade combined easily get you 10+s, no mention they come from factory as a complete package plus chassis tuning. That being said, M2C can get there at a fairly low cost, but stock for stock that's just how it is.
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Artemis, I will not dispute the 7:42 time you cite for the 981 GT4. In fact, I find it interesting that the reported 7:40 lap time for the 981 GT4 most often comes in conjunction with the 718 GTS, also cited to turn the Nurburgring in 7:40 (718 S in 7:42). Completely irrelevant, really, to 99.9 percent of owners what professional drivers do on the Nurburgring. Nonetheless, enthusiasts love to gravitate to track times. My point being, I think Porsche is very conscientious of what lap times their various models are posting, just as they are to 0-60 times. I suspect BMW is no different, so the M2CS MUST turn the Nurburgring faster than the M2C even if, for some reason, it does not. Perhaps being 'faster' is not even enough, and significantly faster required . . . whatever 'significantly' equates to in terms of faster? Maybe that is why we do not yet have an official answer to the M2CS Nurburgring lap time??? ///AVM https://www.motortrend.com/cars/pors...-drive-review/ https://www.caranddriver.com/reviews...-drive-review/ |
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As I indicated in my post, the 07:42 Ring laptime was clocked by Sport Auto (Christian Gebhardt) in 2015. And video footage of that lap exists (07:42.39):
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Thank you for sharing. Watching that video made me remember there is another fly in the ointment, which is MT vs DCT/PDK. ///AVM |
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According to BMW M the M2 CS features "an even more emotional sound with a distinctive racing character" compared to the M2C. From the M2 CS press materials (see here and here):
(source: BMWBlog - see here) About car sound in general, see also this video (note: Rory Reid mentions Sep 1, 2017 as key date, but AFAIK it's Sep 1, 2018):
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its probably identical in speed or slower than the standard car which is why they are not plastering a lap time all over commercials.
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The LW performance M2 says everything that needs to be said about a modified M2C vs the CS. Add $20k to the base price of the C and you can have a car 4s faster than the CS on a short track and hangs with cars in a different league. The extra 100+ Nm gets it up out of the corners a lot quicker. No real weight savings.
Trust me, I've thought about it so I can get an SO M2, but I just don't want to hassle with buying aftermarket parts, paying/trusting someone to install them, tuning. Finally if I decide to sell, taking a bath on all the mods, or parting it out. I don't have the space to store the original parts, and no time to wrench = $$$. The $20k LW cost didn't include the bespoke parts on that car. I'd wager the true difference between the two is about $10k. $11.5k if you decide to tune the CS to the LW power levels. The delta is worth it to me for warranty, 1 of 450 in the US, and not spending months building and tuning. |
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For the record, however, I 'paid down' to get all the features I wanted in my GTS, as compared to optioning out as many of the same features as possible in an S model. It is not even possible to fully option-out an S to a GTS, but you would pay more for the S trying to get to the GTS. Also, please point out where I ever 'criticized' the M2CS? Do not waste your time, I have never criticized the M2CS. I simply do not share any love for the M2CS over what the M2C has to offer for some $30K+ less. ///AVM |
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