[Davil]

Quite striking differences when you see them next to each other. Yes I know it's M v non M but the M will still use the same basic bones.

I'd say the new one will be quite a bit longer too. 2 series becoming 4 series and 4 becoming 6 with these generations.

[Artemis]

Originally Posted by Davil

Quite striking differences when you see them next to each other. Yes I know it's M v non M but the M will still use the same basic bones.
I'd say the new one will be quite a bit longer too. 2 series becoming 4 series and 4 becoming 6 with these generations.

We may expect BMW M to also redesign the lower end of the front bumper, turning the central air intake upside down to /-----\ shape (a BMW M hallmark design feature since many years).

See the dedicated thread visualising the front-end evolution here ("M front bumper design evolution from Z3 M Roadster to M2 Competition").

[Davil]

Originally Posted by Artemis

We may expect BMW M to also redesign the lower end of the front bumper, turning the central air intake upside down to /-----\ shape (a BMW M hallmark design feature since many years).

Also space for large kidneys.

But what about the headlights? And the size? And the shape? I think we are seeing a design era that won't be remembered well. The era after may be nice again but then it's going to be Jörg Düsensen.

[Sublime00]

Why is everyone acting like cars built in Germany are so reliable lol.

[Baldilocks73]

Originally Posted by Sublime00

Why is everyone acting like cars built in Germany are so reliable lol.

For me it isn't always about reliability. If I buy a German car, I want it built in Germany.

If I buy an Italian suit, I want it made in Italy, etc...

[PresidentEvil]

this is the ugilest car I have ever seen

[Orange fever]

Saw this over the weekend, 1st thing came to mind was the New M2 .....lol

[///AVM]

Well, undoubtedly, the ‘likes’ and ‘dislikes’ are going to be tossed around from now until the G87 M2/M2C are released . . . and for some time afterward as well.

As with most owners, I love my F87 M2C and it will certainly serve as standard by which the G87 M2C will be measured.

Personally, I cannot wait for the G87 M2/M2C to be released.

I assume the pics shared to date are of the G42. For a base model I think the G42 already looks pretty good . . . and will look and perform fantastic when BMW turns it into the G87 ///M car.

///AVM

[Hegge]

Originally Posted by ///AVM

Well, undoubtedly, the ‘likes’ and ‘dislikes’ are going to be tossed around from now until the G87 M2/M2C are released . . . and for some time afterward as well.

As with most owners, I love my F87 M2C and it will certainly serve as standard by which the G87 M2C will be measured.

Personally, I cannot wait for the G87 M2/M2C to be released.

I assume the pics shared to date are of the G42. For a base model I think the G42 already looks pretty good . . . and will look and perform fantastic when BMW turns it into the G87 ///M car.

///AVM

You got another 2 and a half years until the next M2 (early 2023). But yes I think the G87 M2 will be better than the oversized G Series M3/M4. However no DCT is a bummer.

[NathObeaN]

Originally Posted by Hegge

You got another 2 and a half years until the next M2 (early 2023). But yes I think the G87 M2 will be better than the oversized G Series M3/M4. However no DCT is a bummer.

One of the reasons I got a DCT M2C this time around. If I like the new M2 then I'll get a manual in that version. Gonna get DCT while it's still alive. Then again, my 2023 I may end up getting something entirely different!

[Nicname]

Wonder if people will wait out a year or 2 to see if there is another "competition" version planned. I know there's always something new in the pipeline but some owners may be wary this time around.

[Gizmo 335i]

Originally Posted by Nicname

Wonder if people will wait out a year or 2 to see if there is another "competition" version planned. I know there's always something new in the pipeline but some owners may be wary this time around.

I will have my current current M2C paid off in October 2023...just in time for the LCI version. I will gladly wait it out.

[Nicname]

Originally Posted by Gizmo 335i

I will have my current current M2C paid off in October 2023...just in time for the LCI version. I will gladly wait it out.

I'm on the opposite spectrum. One year left on the OG so most likely I'd have to jump into the 1st generation

[NathObeaN]

Originally Posted by Nicname

Wonder if people will wait out a year or 2 to see if there is another "competition" version planned. I know there's always something new in the pipeline but some owners may be wary this time around.

Depends what engine is in the launch version. If S58, I think people won't hesitate to jump. If B58... BMW can go **** themselves if they're considering pulling the same stunt twice.

I think it's in their interest to just launch with S58.

[///AVM]

Originally Posted by NathObeaN

. . . Depends what engine is in the launch version. If S58, I think people won't hesitate to jump. If B58... BMW can go **** themselves if they're considering pulling the same stunt twice.

I think it's in their interest to just launch with S58.

Only BMW knows what their F87 master plan was from conception. . . however, pretty well known their hands were forced when it came to inserting the S55 engine into the M2C. . . the legend was born.

I would SUGGEST BMW's original plan included leaving the N55 in the M2C, then introducing the S55 in the M2CS. That would have made the CS 'special.' As things played out, the Competition stole all the CS thunder and is the truly 'special' offering in the F87 lineup.

According to what has been presented to date, I believe the G87 M2 will come equipped with the S58 right out of the gate.

https://www.bmwblog.com/2020/03/08/n...hp-s58-engine/

Questions I have include:

(1) what will differentiate G87 M2C from M2 other than mirrors and wheels?

(2) will the G87 M2 and M2C be offered simultaneously, or staggered as with the F87 lineup?

I'm really looking forward to the G87 ///M cars.

///AVM

[NathObeaN]

Originally Posted by ///AVM

Only BMW knows what their F87 master plan was from conception. . . however, pretty well known their hands were forced when it came to inserting the S55 engine into the M2C. . . the legend was born.

I would SUGGEST BMW's original plan included leaving the N55 in the M2C, then introducing the S55 in the M2CS. That would have made the CS 'special.' As things played out, the Competition stole all the CS thunder and is the truly 'special' offering in the F87 lineup.

According to what has been presented to date, I believe the G87 M2 will come equipped with the S58 right out of the gate.

https://www.bmwblog.com/2020/03/08/n...hp-s58-engine/

Questions I have include:

(1) what will differentiate G87 M2C from M2 other than mirrors and wheels?

(2) will the G87 M2 and M2C be offered simultaneously, or staggered as with the F87 lineup?

I'm really looking forward to the G87 ///M cars.

///AVM

Agreed. I think it's difficult to know for sure if the N55 > S55 jump was planned. That said, it was lazy/intentional that they left out: seats, mirrors, M buttons etc. So, I still don't trust them haha. Let's wait and see

[///AVM]

Originally Posted by NathObeaN

Agreed. I think it's difficult to know for sure if the N55 > S55 jump was planned. That said, it was lazy/intentional that they left out: seats, mirrors, M buttons etc. So, I still don't trust them haha. Let's wait and see

If the F87 M2C was everything it is and had the N55 engine I would have still much preferred it over the F87 M2.

The S55 was a once in a generation 'happening,' but I do not think most enthusiasts give BMW enough credit for all the other 'improvements' that went into the F87 M2C.

Look at the M3 and M4 and the competition packages. To me, the competition package takes a really good ///M car and makes them great. I anticipate the same will be true of the G87 M2C.

///AVM

[Artemis]

Originally Posted by ///AVM

Only BMW knows what their F87 master plan was from conception. . . however, pretty well known their hands were forced when it came to inserting the S55 engine into the M2C. . . the legend was born.
I would SUGGEST BMW's original plan included leaving the N55 in the M2C, then introducing the S55 in the M2CS. That would have made the CS 'special.' As things played out, the Competition stole all the CS thunder and is the truly 'special' offering in the F87 lineup.

See here:

Originally Posted by Artemis

Rumor has it (surfaced in January 2016) that an N55 M2 and S55 M2 were actually developed side-by-side, or at least within a small time window. The N55 M2 was supposed to be named "M2". And that happened. The S55 M2 was supposed to be called "M2 CS", due for release around 2018. And that did not happen: things took a turn in 2018 because of EU emissions homologation requirements taking force in September 2018 in Europe. Result: exit the N55 M2 and rebaptizing the S55 M2 as "M2 Competition". During the Summer of 2018: exit + enter. In VIN decoders exactly the same pre-production S55 M2 got labelled "M2 CS" and at some other point in time "M2 Competition". We may reasonably assume that the S55 M2 (temporary dubbed "M2 CS") that turned "M2 Competition", was not supposed to be sold at near-base-M2 price. But the problem was that there was no entry-level BMW M car anymore with the N55 M2 being retired. So the M2 Competition unexpectedly 'dropped' into the entry-level BMW M car position, with an attractive price. That's also why the M2 Competition will continue to be regarded as excellent value for money. Also from a price perspective, the M2 Competition stole the 450hp 2020 M2 CS thunder: if the M2 Competition would have been priced somewhere in the middle between base M2 price and base M4 price, the 2020 M2 CS price would be a little less hard to stomach.

Though this rumor has never been confirmed, M2 Competition owners may occasionally come across car parts featuring "CS" stamped on it.

Different seats were already spotted on an M2 test mule early Spring 2015 (see here), many months before the OG M2 launch in November 2015 (OG M2 deliveries started from April 16, 2016 onwards). Apparently BMW decided to also keep those for a later M2 iteration (turned out to be the M2 Competition from September 2018 onwards, which was initially intended to be named "M2 CS").

Rumor about an M2 "sibling" in February 2015:

Originally Posted by SCOTT26

It looks as if they are investigating a more hardcore M2 having seen one at a test track, mixing aerodynamics of the Vision GT and the Racing but identifiable as the M2 but far more muscular and brutal than the standard M2. It could be for racing purpose showcase but I like to Think of it as a potential rival to the Porsche Cayman GT4 and the first modern BMW "Batmobile" since the E9.
Sips Tea...

The 'mistaken' OG M2 internal flyer of Autumn 2015:

Originally Posted by Artemis

There was the "M design icons" flyer about the base M2 that contained inaccuracies ("M powerdome", "M side mirrors" and 1-piece seats), but at least it did not look as amateuristic:

[Artemis]

Originally Posted by NathObeaN

Depends what engine is in the launch version. If S58, I think people won't hesitate to jump. If B58... BMW can go **** themselves if they're considering pulling the same stunt twice.
I think it's in their interest to just launch with S58.

G87 M2 gets the S58 engine (except if plans are reshuffled).

[NathObeaN]

Originally Posted by Artemis

Though this rumor has never been confirmed, M2 Competition owners may occasionally come across car parts featuring "CS" stamped on it.

Funny you should post the above because I noticed that my license plate holder has F87 CS as above too. Interesting!

[Nicname]

Wonder if BMW will go the same route as the G80 and announce both a regular M2 and a M2C at launch. Also, I wonder if they'll make 6 spd only for the base model as well... I was hoping to jump back into a 6 spd.

[JCZ5]

Originally Posted by Nicname

Wonder if BMW will go the same route as the G80 and announce both a regular M2 and a M2C at launch. Also, I wonder if they'll make 6 spd only for the base model as well... I was hoping to jump back into a 6 spd.

Very good point on 6spd in Competition. Maybe the M2 will still be the drivers car and BMW will still make the 6sp available. If not, the M2C 6spd just got a little more special in my mind