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Drag race: BMW M2 Competition vs BMW M2 vs Alfa Romeo 4C vs Lotus Exige 350 Sport
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11-30-2018, 06:05 PM | #2 |
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The M2C is faster, big surprise there..
Seriously, it is, you can actually see the extra power propelling the car forward.. But take into consideration it's manual vs a DCT, for what that's worth.. Great test video, confirms that there are very few street vehicles that could keep up with the M2C.. |
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But logic would dictate that it would be right above the DCT M2, maybe even neck and neck.. A manual can't shift and modulate power as fast as the computer can.. But I still would take the manual.. #Compromises |
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11-30-2018, 06:55 PM | #7 |
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Yeah tons of cars will beat it on the street in the price range especially straight line, it's the track that cars in the same price range will have a harder time, camaro and a few others can do it.
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11-30-2018, 07:14 PM | #8 | ||
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I'll take that anyday over a Chevy or Ford.. Folks that work on those American-made vehicle reveal that they are made with plastic, cheap, throwaway parts and the engineering as not as thought-of as their German counterparts.. Yes, they can haul ass due to their gas-guzzling, larger displacement motor.. If they weren't fast, what would they be? Or the Alfa with its limited dealer network and niche acceptance the US, I wouldn't exactly classify those an average street car.. When is last time you seen an Alfa in the 'hood? |
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11-30-2018, 07:36 PM | #10 |
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That 4C is modded…
A standard 4C does the quarter mile in around 12.8 which is around the same time as a standard 6MT M2 Here you can see it keeps on pulling... The M2C is faster than I thought against the M2...can really see the S55 hauling the car forward |
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11-30-2018, 08:24 PM | #12 |
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Thought M2c wouldve been a lot faster that - for sure faster than the OGM2 but not by much (bummed)
That 4c is a bad ass...I don’t like the looks though |
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11-30-2018, 08:36 PM | #13 |
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Light year difference in reaction times from the M2 drivers.
For the M2C to reign that in and then pull away says a lot about the difference between OG and M2C |
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Bottom line, the M2 is a fast car. Let's not take 4s cars for granted. Both the M2 and M2C are frickin brilliantly engineered cars.
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To really observe the difference in acceleration among the 3 M2s in the video they should have also included a rolling start race so the cars and do the work (I believe another YouTube channel with a bunch of drag races always include standing and rolling start races)
From a launch driver skills and reaction time play too much of a factor. Regardless it's clear the M2C is significantly quicker |
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The same thing happens in roll-on comparisons. For whatever reason (well, it's a standard human bias actually), the majority of people don't understand time versus distance versus velocity when they see it in action. They let their eyes fool them into what they think is obvious but in fact 100% false. Take two absolutely identical cars, with everything exactly identical and driven absolutely identically. Put them in a roll-on battle. The driver in car A hits the throttle 0.2 seconds quicker than car B. Off they go. What happens? Car A will continually open up the gap between the two cars as they accelerate. Most watch and proclaim car A is "faster". I mean, LOOK! It continually increased the gap between itself and car B!! How can it not be faster? Because it's not. They're identical and accelerating identically. The difference is the initial time gap to start the acceleration run. It's within typical human reaction time too. The cars will always be 0.2 seconds apart since they are accelerating identically but starting with a different initial condition. By 60mph, car A will be 17.6' ahead of car B. By 120 mph, car A will be 32.2' ahead, and at 155mph car A will be 45.5' ahead. All in attendance will proclaim car A the "faster car" (even though they are absolutely identical). The same thing happens on a track when even announcers proclaim how one car "pulls away" from the other behind it only to be "almost caught" in the next corner. These cars are likely near identical too and driven very well, so in fact there isn't any "faster car down the straights" but instead the car in front will *always* be on the throttle ahead of the 2nd one exiting the turn onto the straight. The identical cars doing identical laps times will *always* show the car in front "pulling away" from the car behind as velocity increases on a straight. Always...since they are doing exactly the same lap times, the time gap between them remains constant, so the distance between them will always vary as a function of velocity (assuming they are doing exactly the speed at every point in their lap time, i.e. perfectly identical cars/drivers). The net of it is that what needs to be evaluated is the time gap between the two cars, not the distance gap. Eyes see distance gap differences and trick the brain into making false conclusions. Whew! Sorry for the brain dump here...two cups of coffee will do that.
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Exactly, just looked up C&D 2015 review....13s @ 107....11s to 100. Slower than an OG M2.
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12-01-2018, 03:36 PM | #21 |
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You don't need a technical thesis to explain which car is faster..
The M2 has a more top-loaded tune which allows it to pull ahead of the M2C but it blows its load sooner and runs out of breath by the time the M2C starts pulling ahead, at full boost.. It doesn't matter who had the better launch, there is enough distance to accommodate for error and for each car to stretch their legs, showing who has the most endurance, i.e. faster.. As far as the Alfa C, it's 1,000 pounds lighter than the M2C and possible tune, so that explains its advantage on it pulling ahead. I have a N55 motor and I know exactly when it runs out of breath due to its single turbo and lack of fuel supply.. The N55 is great motor but the S55 parallel turbo and dual fuel pump set up is always going to trump a single turbo. No race needed to confirm that.. |
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