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      03-19-2019, 07:29 AM   #551
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I wonder when we will see this thing at an auto show - hopefully soon, so we can get a full picture of all the inside and outside changes.
Has to be IAA in Frankfurt in September.
The only one before that BMW is attending is Shanghai in April, but Scott already confirmed it will not be there.
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      03-19-2019, 07:30 AM   #552
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Has to be IAA in Frankfurt in September.
The only one before that BMW is attending is Shanghai in April, but Scott already confirmed it will not be there.
September is a long way off.
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Has to be IAA in Frankfurt in September.
The only one before that BMW is attending is Shanghai in April, but Scott already confirmed it will not be there.
September is a long way off.
Isn't BMW going to FOS at GoodWood???
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      03-19-2019, 07:51 AM   #554
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I wonder when we will see this thing at an auto show - hopefully soon, so we can get a full picture of all the inside and outside changes.
Almost Springtime, season when car manufacturers resume test sessions at the Nürburgring Nordschleife.

Back in 2017, already late March, M2 test mules were spotted lapping 'The Ring' (see the dedicated thread here).

So IMHO it's very likely that M2 CS test mules will be lapping 'The Ring' in the (very) near future. Won't take months for spotter videos to surface.
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Isn't BMW going to FOS at GoodWood???
Sorry, I don't know what FOS refers to.

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Almost Springtime, season when car manufacturers resume test sessions at the Nürburgring Nordschleife.

Back in 2017, already late March, M2 test mules were spotted lapping 'The Ring' (see the dedicated thread here).

So IMHO it's very likely that M2 CS test mules will be lapping 'The Ring' in the (very) near future. Won't take months for spotter videos to surface.
I figured as much - the thing about test mules is that they're...test mules - we know the engine already, can see the essential outlines for the parts that are going to change (CF roof, boot spoiler, front splitter), so the cloak and dagger at this point in the life cycle is not very effective IMO.

BMW has taken to these extremely long gestation periods for new models - it just makes me tired, not excited.
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Isn't BMW going to FOS at GoodWood???
That could be interesting new 718 GT4 and M2 CS with a Goodwood reveal.
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I had to look it up.

Goodwood Festival of Speed
Chichester, West Sussex

https://www.goodwood.com/flagship-ev...ival-of-speed/
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That could be interesting new 718 GT4 and M2 CS with a Goodwood reveal.
That would be some nicely timed competition to have both cars at the same event! I'd like to see that!
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For those wondering what a M2 C/CS willl look like in SMB I was scrolling across Instagram today and found this. (It's a wrap btw)

Heres the link to the guys insta: https://instagram.com/motorlogix?utm...=195t044bhhrh2
A CS wing looks soooo good on the M2!! 😍😍🤤

Also side note: since the CS car is meant to have a carbon roof, they even supposedly have the same M performance parts as the comp couldn't they start installing them at factory for the comp model instead of the dealership?

(If a BMW employee is reading this can you guys do that please!)
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The thing with weight reduction is it's like adding horsepower throughout the rpm range.

A 3450lbs car losing 230lbs would be like gaining 30hp across the board. Here's the math for it:
http://www.tuneruniversity.com/blog/...-weight-ratio/

I was looking more into this last night.
Back seat - 56lbs
Sportster CS front seats - 66lbs
Carbon brakes - 18.5lbs
Carbon hood - 19.8lbs
Carbon trunk - 13.2lbs
Carbon Fenders - 6.6lbs
Liteblox battery - 48lbs

That's 228lbs right there.

But the issue comes at cost. Are $12k for carbon brakes worth it for that weight? Same with carbon hood, trunk, etc.

Oh, M2CS could use a lithium ion battery instead (which the m3/m4 use) that's a 30lbs weight reduction from the standard M2 battery. I think the liteblox battery costs the same as it though, so better to go with liteblox.

Just doing the seats and battery seems like the most cost efficient weight reduction.
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The thing with weight reduction is it's like adding horsepower throughout the rpm range.

A 3450lbs car losing 230lbs would be like gaining 30hp across the board. Here's the math for it:
http://www.tuneruniversity.com/blog/...-weight-ratio/

I was looking more into this last night.
Back seat - 56lbs
Sportster CS front seats - 66lbs
Carbon brakes - 18.5lbs
Carbon hood - 19.8lbs
Carbon trunk - 13.2lbs
Carbon Fenders - 6.6lbs
Liteblox battery - 48lbs

That's 228lbs right there.

But the issue comes at cost. Are $12k for carbon brakes worth it for that weight? Same with carbon hood, trunk, etc.

Oh, M2CS could use a lithium ion battery instead (which the m3/m4 use) that's a 30lbs weight reduction from the standard M2 battery. I think the liteblox battery costs the same as it though, so better to go with liteblox.

Just doing the seats and battery seems like the most cost efficient weight reduction.
The car also feels better driving. Big cars that handle well feel strange. I've never driven a Nissan GTR, but curious how folks think it feels to drive. My turboed 91 Miata was so much fun to drive because it was like a kart.
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For those of you who's wondering what the carbon MP trunk looks like in real life.

Personally I think it's the proper rear end look for the CS, except that it should be painted to match body color.

No need for saving the existing parts for the CSL. More I think about it (conflict with G80, performance and cost wise), more unlikely it seems for M2 CSL to be happening.
I dunno. I think the mp trunk looks like it belongs on an electric vehicle.
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Can anyone in the know advise if this will be limited production and no CSL version later?
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Can anyone in the know advise if this will be limited production and no CSL version later?
Think about it logically. The return of the CSL badge is going to be a HUGE deal and a massive marketing opportunity. They're going to announce the CSL badge's return on a flagship model, the M4 or the M8. On top of that, these top tier models usually release at the end of production. That means that the CSL return probably won't happen for a couple of years if not awhile down the road.

They aren't going to produce an F87 M2 CSL. They probably will for the G series.
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Can anyone in the know advise if this will be limited production and no CSL version later?
Think about it logically. The return of the CSL badge is going to be a HUGE deal and a massive marketing opportunity. They're going to announce the CSL badge's return on a flagship model, the M4 or the M8. On top of that, these top tier models usually release at the end of production. That means that the CSL return probably won't happen for a couple of years if not awhile down the road.

They aren't going to produce an F87 M2 CSL. They probably will for the G series.
I agree with all this.

CS came with 'F' M2/3/4
CSL will come on a higher price point 'G' I believe also
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Can anyone in the know advise if this will be limited production and no CSL version later?
I think they might produce the CSL after the CS and only the CSL will be limited in production and will be very expensive because it will be an instant collectors car. The M2 is the most "involving and true M car today" if you will, and it makes sense to reintroduce the CSL badge with this model. Both the G80 M3 and M8 will have both CS and CSL models. I believe M is gonna follow Porsche and make many iterations of their models to boost volumes and profitability of Ms leveraging each platform. That's my prediction.
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For those of you who's wondering what the carbon MP trunk looks like in real life.

Personally I think it's the proper rear end look for the CS, except that it should be painted to match body color.

No need for saving the existing parts for the CSL. More I think about it (conflict with G80, performance and cost wise), more unlikely it seems for M2 CSL to be happening.
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For those of you who's wondering what the carbon MP trunk looks like in real life.
Personally I think it's the proper rear end look for the CS, except that it should be painted to match body color.
No need for saving the existing parts for the CSL. More I think about it (conflict with G80, performance and cost wise), more unlikely it seems for M2 CSL to be happening.
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It's ...peculiar.

Looks like it belongs in some transformers movie.....on a Camaro
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It's ...peculiar.
I think it suits some colors better than others - where the contrast is "nicer" - not so much on SO, but looks pretty good on AW and HS.
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I'm guessing there has to be an aero advantage to it somewhere. Otherwise it looks a bit like trying too hard in the style department. Let me tell you who isn't going to benefit from any added stability from this choice..... This guy. I just don't approach that limit on or off track. I wish my driving skills matched my bench racing skills
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