Anyone else salty about the M2C

chris719 · 02-06-2019, 12:23 AM

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Originally Posted by doug_999

Yep, I seem to remember it was 45/47/48 for a 36 month lease (15/12/10 thousand miles). The 2-series residuals have always been crappy (and very interesting to hear that yours are so much better!).

Now I have to be careful because there are few on this board who will say that I'm not seeing the big picture and it still makes sense to some people to lease the 2-series (it rarely does).

Makes sense, for BMW

. I wonder how many people will turn it back in without thinking twice about the market value vs the residual.

SeanWRT · 02-06-2019, 01:19 AM

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Very well put.

The competition was criticized for being heavier and less musical. But what's more true is BMW simply didn't try to reduce weight with OG in the first place. The competition just has a more powerful engine that weighs more and the chassis software tweaks accordingly, and carries everything else over, which is hardly anything to blame it for.

Some interesting fact - M3 (S55) is less than 100 lbs heavier than a 335i (N55), but M2C (S55) is close to 300lbs heavier than a M235i (N55). The numbers may be not accurate but you get the idea. What special treatment the F80/82 receives that F87 does not outside of the apparent carbon roof and carbon driveshaft (not anymore since 2018/10) is beyond me.

In my opinion, the entire M lineup for 2 series is to be blamed for the weight, the M2 OG just hide it a little bit with a less powerful and lighter engine is all.

S55 itself weighs only 2kg/4.4lbs more than the N55. Most of the extra weight comes from other areas. Bigger brakes and the dual pipe exhaust system alone add close to 70lbs together. 788M wheels add another 10+ lbs. And then there is the extra weight that comes from the additional cooling, M sport seats etc that account for the remaning ~30lbs extra weight (The weight difference between US spec M2 and M2C is ~110lbs, source). In other words, for example, people in Europe can configure their M2C with blue brakes, 437M wheels, OG M2 seats and save significant amount of weight.

Don't be over defensive man. Radiator and exhaust are the integral parts of the engine. M4 Seats actually are a hair lighter as I weighed when I swapped seats. So that magazine breakdown article isn't 100% flawless plus the source of their data is unknown.

Anyway, my point has been that if we criticize on weight, it isn't the M2C but the M2 OG that is to be criticized for it in the first place. BMW didn't try remotely hard enough with F87 weight reduction if anything at all and M2C just carries over what's already there. Nothing else.

M-Pilot · 02-06-2019, 03:13 AM

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Originally Posted by SeanWRT

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Originally Posted by cntzl

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Originally Posted by SeanWRT

Very well put.

The competition was criticized for being heavier and less musical. But what's more true is BMW simply didn't try to reduce weight with OG in the first place. The competition just has a more powerful engine that weighs more and the chassis software tweaks accordingly, and carries everything else over, which is hardly anything to blame it for.

Some interesting fact - M3 (S55) is less than 100 lbs heavier than a 335i (N55), but M2C (S55) is close to 300lbs heavier than a M235i (N55). The numbers may be not accurate but you get the idea. What special treatment the F80/82 receives that F87 does not outside of the apparent carbon roof and carbon driveshaft (not anymore since 2018/10) is beyond me.

In my opinion, the entire M lineup for 2 series is to be blamed for the weight, the M2 OG just hide it a little bit with a less powerful and lighter engine is all.

S55 itself weighs only 2kg/4.4lbs more than the N55. Most of the extra weight comes from other areas. Bigger brakes and the dual pipe exhaust system alone add close to 70lbs together. 788M wheels add another 10+ lbs. And then there is the extra weight that comes from the additional cooling, M sport seats etc that account for the remaning ~30lbs extra weight (The weight difference between US spec M2 and M2C is ~110lbs, source). In other words, for example, people in Europe can configure their M2C with blue brakes, 437M wheels, OG M2 seats and save significant amount of weight.

Don't be over defensive man. Radiator and exhaust are the integral parts of the engine. M4 Seats actually are a hair lighter as I weighed when I swapped seats. So that breakdown article isn't 100% flawless.

Anyway, my point has been that if we criticize on weight, it isn't the M2C but the M2 OG that is to be criticized for it in the first place. M2C carries over what's already there. Nothing else.

I wasn't even referring to breakdown article which had some inaccuracies in some areas. However, I see your point so fair enough

As for the seats, M4 seats do weigh more than OG M2 seats (at least when both are electric and heated). A friend of mine just gave away his OG M2 seats and before letting them go I asked him to weigh them. I think the comparison was like 57lbs for the M4 seats vs 52.x lbs for the OG M2 seats. This should be easy to verify via BMW ETK anyway.

chris719 · 02-06-2019, 03:29 AM

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Originally Posted by SeanWRT

Don't be over defensive man. Radiator and exhaust are the integral parts of the engine. M4 Seats actually are a hair lighter as I weighed when I swapped seats. So that magazine breakdown article isn't 100% flawless plus the source of their data is unknown.

Anyway, my point has been that if we criticize on weight, it isn't the M2C but the M2 OG that is to be criticized for it in the first place. BMW didn't try remotely hard enough with F87 weight reduction if anything at all and M2C just carries over what's already there. Nothing else.

F87 is supposed to be the entry level M car so I am not surprised at all. I am sure the business case for F87 requires the fewest number of bespoke components as possible.

F87_LCI · 02-07-2019, 04:07 PM

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I wasn't even referring to breakdown article which had some inaccuracies in some areas. However, I see your point so fair enough

As for the seats, M4 seats do weigh more than OG M2 seats (at least when both are electric and heated). A friend of mine just gave away his OG M2 seats and before letting them go I asked him to weigh them. I think the comparison was like 57lbs for the M4 seats vs 52.x lbs for the OG M2 seats. This should be easy to verify via BMW ETK anyway.

I can subjectively verify this...I didn't actually weigh them, but i lifted them back to back during my swap and the OG seats felt lighter. BUT the Msport seats are firmer (some may say less comfortable over longer periods of time) and seat pocket is lower than the OG seats.

Irielion · 02-07-2019, 04:11 PM

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Originally Posted by davekt

Not at all, here in canada 10k difference is not worth it imo, plus n55 sounds so good
I do like the m2c seats tho but not for 10k

In The Netherlands it's also 10k

Yvette · 03-08-2019, 02:56 PM

I am glad I did get 18 m2 at bargain because of M2c
And I prefer og front over comp

DanG · 03-08-2019, 03:16 PM

We can start a new thread about being salty about the M2CS. It is planned to come out one year after the M2C.

infinitekidM2C · 03-08-2019, 03:43 PM

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We can start a new thread about being salty about the M2CS. It is planned to come out one year after the M2C.

I'm saving my salt for the M2 GTS CSL CS TYPE R LIMITED EDITION SPECIAL EDITION

.2pdk · 03-08-2019, 05:38 PM

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I'm saving my salt for the M2 GTS CSL CS TYPE R LIMITED EDITION SPECIAL EDITION

You'll have to wait at least 6 months for that...

SConn · 03-08-2019, 09:40 PM

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Originally Posted by infinitekidM2C

I'm saving my salt for the M2 GTS CSL CS TYPE R LIMITED EDITION SPECIAL EDITION

That one's gonna be so much faster, reliable, more comfortable, and better looking than the dumb OG ones

Artemis · 03-09-2019, 10:22 AM

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I'm saving my salt for the M2 GTS CSL CS TYPE R LIMITED EDITION SPECIAL EDITION

Followed by the M2 CRT Unobtainium Edition...

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AlpsRider · 03-09-2019, 11:51 AM

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Followed by the M2 CRT Unobtainium Edition...

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I want an Unobtanium edition!

GoneIn4Secs · 03-09-2019, 12:45 PM

Ill take adamantium edition

.2pdk · 03-09-2019, 03:48 PM

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Ill take adamantium edition

I'll take the one month limited run 2M...

Karmic Man · 03-10-2019, 06:34 AM

M2 GTR is the baddest daddy of all!!!

Artemis · 03-10-2019, 07:00 PM

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M2 GTR is the baddest daddy of all!!!

Karmic Man showing up at a car meet with OG M2 folks...

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Karmic Man · 03-11-2019, 01:46 AM

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Karmic Man showing up at a car meet with OG M2 folks...

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Nice. My vision of a car meet is more like this

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GerardzM · 03-11-2019, 02:52 PM

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Nice. My vision of a car meet is more like this

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Lol I almost spat my beer!

Spot on!

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