07-07-2021, 05:56 AM | #1 |
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M2 vs Lotus Emira
I realize it's sort of apples and oranges, but both have roughly 400 hp (if you opt for the V6 Emira) at similar price points (if compared to M2CS). And allegedly the Emira base comes in at roughly $82k USD, which I think is a bargain.
- 3100 lbs curb weight - manual transmission - mid-engine - hydraulic steering - great looks (to me) Anyone else excited about this car? |
07-07-2021, 11:12 AM | #2 |
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You think 82K base price is a bargain for a car powered by a detuned 4 cylinder from an AMG hatchback or a supercharged Camry V6? The exterior looks great but the powerplant options are poor and lazy. There is no reason to buy this car (except maybe exclusivity) when you get can get a Cayman GTS 4L for around the same price and does everything better.
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My base 997.1 GT3 already destroys Elise/Exige in just about every category, not to mention 997.2 RS or 991-992 GT2/GT3 RS |
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I thought the base price was estimated at around $70k?
Edit: sounds like $70k likely for the AMG 2 liter, with the v6 starting in the 80's.
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Only in a parking lot, as no-power steering tends to be. As all road cars do, it's the manufacturer's idea of how to make cars safe. Quote:
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It looks super. I think it should be a big hit. Especially with the AMG power plus DCT combo. Cayman killer. Not sold on the Camry rig. However. I would personally choose an original Elise with the K series engine if going in this direction. The new one is huge and massively wide. My CS is already my big car and I already have my little car. But I've always had a huge soft spot for that original Elise.
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I don't know if you've ever setup your Exige yourself but there are no camber bolts on the front of the car. The only way to adjust front camber from the factory is to remove shims. Even if you remove all the shims you don't even get 1 full degree of negative camber. You either have to remove the arms and mill some material away or get some offset bushings to get enough negative camber. I can get -4 degrees of front negative camber using only factory adjustments in my GT3. You said your Exige compares favorably to ANY Porsche so don't bring up the price difference and back pedal now. I was comparing street cars of a similar year (07 GT3, 07 Exige). Comparing a Lotus 311 race car with no windshield to a full weight GT street car, what a dumb comparison. Let's compare a 911 RSR to a 311 or any modern Lotus race car and see how that pans out Last edited by CosmosMpower; 07-08-2021 at 09:29 AM.. |
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I think it's the other way around. Your justifications are quite weak, and don't hold up at all.
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The shims are for minor adjustments. Yes, you can get milled steering arms, but easier than that is to move the strut up onto the top strut mount instead of the bottom one, giving you an immediate -2°. Perfection for the front of a Lotus is -2.2°, which is easily achievable with $0 if you know what you're doing. Quote:
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I'm very interested in the Emira, when I first saw the car I fell in love immediately and knew that it is a car I'm going to own in the future.
We will see what the final cost is to order one a year or two in, hopefully let them iron out a few bugs. Chances are we will pay super high prices in Australia but that's already expected here. I will be keeping my m2 comp as well.
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I think this Emira is many things. It's a money-saving platform, turning 3 cars into 1. It's beautiful, so sales will be high. It's sporty, but not a race car. It's posh, but not a true GT. I can see how much it's trying to compromise, and if I could only have 1 car I might be on that page.
But to me it's a beautiful all-season tire, and I hate all-season tires. I'd rather have a true, super grippy Summer tire, and a true, climb-a-mountain Winter tire. That's why I have an M2 and an Exige instead of a 718 GT4. I think this Emira is great, it's just not for me, as it seeks to replace both cars I already have, it it just couldn't. |
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I'd like to see how the 8 speed DCT on the Emira compares to the M2's 7 DCT. A 2.0L single, twin-scroll turbo AMG I4 making nearly the exact same HP as a 3.0L double single-scroll I6 is honestly mind-blowing. Boost pressure in that M139 AMG must be ignorant.
If the 0-60 times are similar and the trunks can live up to daily drive duties, I can totally see someone trading in an M2C for an extremely unique Emira. Unless you need those back seats. Shame we don't get the Mercedes A45/A45S in the states to do some track comparisons. |
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I honestly wouldn't mind the A45 AMG power plant paired with a DCT, even though I'm a manual guy.
This thing has Ferrari looks at 1/4th the cost, which is what I'm stoked about. |
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I do not rate the comparison of an M2 vs Emira at all. Two extremely different cars with a different purpose. The Emira is a sports car on a platform that was designed to do that and nothing else. 400lbs difference in curb weight is huge.
The Emira seems like it will be awesome. It could not replace my M2 or my 911 but still it seems quite a package. |
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I'm interested. I wouldn't mind a well rounded Lotus. Curious to see how this car drives and this has more more excited than any BMW as of late.
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Here are a few and one on track with some friends, nothing special just a run of the mill mostly stock white 997.1 GT3 with OEM euro club sport back half cage, Recaro SPGs, Forgeline GA3R wheels.
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Semi serious question - is it daily livable? Not that you would, but could you?
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I'd recommend a 991 or 992 GT3 if you wanted a do it all fun daily driver and weekend toy in one. Those are a bit more refined, newer tech, and you can get a PDK if you want. |
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