[Hegge]

Originally Posted by Artemis

See here:

What does this translate to US dollars?

[Artemis]

Originally Posted by Hegge

What does this translate to US dollars?

See the first post of this thread.

[Artemis]

Originally Posted by Jarran

Today I was informed by a BMW dealer contact that prices were expected to start from 950.000 SEK Swedish krona or €88.000 incl VAT. This would correspond to roughly €70.000 excl VAT. For me it is higher than I had hoped for.
However, since I am a potential customer for a M2Comp it might be tactics to get me close the deal on that car instead? Future will tell.

As the M2 Competition base-price is 630.500 SEK in Sweden, 950.000 SEK base-price for the M2 CS is in line with previous guesstimates of M2/M2C base-price + 50%.

[medphysdave]

What's a well optioned M2C in SEK. I'm beginning to believe that US base price, and base price in other markets is significantly different as the US base has more equipment speced???

[Jarran]

Originally Posted by medphysdave

What's a well optioned M2C in SEK. I'm beginning to believe that US base price, and base price in other markets is significantly different as the US base has more equipment speced???

I think you are right about US spec most likely including a number of options not included in Sweden base price - like the M Sport brakes I assume.

"Well optioned" is a matter of opinion, but my sporty spec comes to about 720.000 SEK with DCT and M Sport brakes and M4 seats. Adding some comfort niceties you're likely to end up closer to 740.000 SEK. Ticking almost every option except M Drivers package would set you back 765.000 SEK.

[Artemis]

The cat is out the bag (at least for Germany) (source: BMW Group PressClub Global - see here):

"Prices for the BMW M2 CS start at €95,000."

Add only M-DCT and a metallic body color (BSM, HS or MB) and you're looking at €100K for this über 2 Series car.

If you buy this über 2 Series in Germany:

• €95K (6MT + AW) = ± $105,230
• €100K (M-DCT + BSM/HS/MB) = ± $110,770
• €108K (M-DCT + BSM/HS/MB + M-CCB) = ± $119,625

Compare with the base price for a 718 Cayman GT4 and a 718 Spyder in Germany (taxes included) (see here and here):


So, yeah, that's the sobering scenario of the price guesstimate poll discussed in this thread.

My ± 150% guesstimate was accurate, unfortunately.

Originally Posted by Artemis

Scenario 1: if the ± €95K base price quote would be accurate:

• ± 60% extra compared to the original M2 (2016 list price) = ± €95K;
• ± 45% extra compared to the M2 Competition (2019 list price) = ± €95K.

Rough conversion math for the US (proportional change: % instead of currency conversion):

• ± $53K (original M2 2016 US list price) + ± 60% = ± $85K;
• ± $59K (M2 Competition 2019 US list price) + ± 45% = ± $85K.

Conclusion 1: M2 CS base price guesstimate of ± $85K for the US and ± €95K for Germany (VAT included).

On the other hand, this immodest M2 CS price tag makes the original M2, M2 LCI and M2 Competition look like a bargain. Especially taking into account the finding that - at least over here - several 0 km (or very low mileage) full option (or very loaded) M2 Competition cars sitting in BMW M dealer showrooms are currently on offer for M2C base price or near M2C base price (discounts ranging from 10% up to 20%).

Furthermore, with signs of another significant economic crisis expected for Spring/Summer 2020, timing is unfortunate.

[SW19]

So roughly $80k to 85k for the US. It's definitely going to be big bucks in Canada, probably
close to 100k. I will just wait for the new M2 and keep enjoying my wonderful original M2.

[smknjoe]

Originally Posted by Nantucket

So roughly $80k to 85k for the US.Its definitely going to be big bucks in Canada,probably
close to 100k.I will just wait for the new M2 and keep enjoying my wonderful
original M2.

€95,000 = $105,000 USD

Is that right, or did Google lie to me?

[SW19]

Originally Posted by smknjoe

€95,000 = $105,000 USD

Is that right, or did Google lie to me?

I’m just going by the chart that Artemis did in the poll, showing the Euro to US conversion. Prices are much higher for cars in Europe than the US. You don’t just use a regular currency conversion.

[GimmeanM]

Originally Posted by Nantucket

I'm just going by the chart that Artemis did in the poll, showing the Euro to US conversion. Prices are much higher for cars in Europe than the US. You don't just use a regular currency conversion.

This was discussed earlier (around the time of the Brussels preview) that if you were to decide to do the direct conversion method you would need to remove VAT beforehand, which I think was quoted at 23%?

If so that's €73,150 which would then convert to $81,197.

I've heard a rumor from a BMWNA employee that it will be "in the 70's". Really hoping that's true!!

[smknjoe]

Originally Posted by GimmeanM

This was discussed earlier (around the time of the Brussels preview) that if you were to decide to do the direct conversion method you would need to remove VAT beforehand, which I think was quoted at 23%?
If so that's €73,150 which would then convert to $81,197.
I've heard a rumor from a BMWNA employee that it will be "in the 70's". Really hoping that's true!!

Ah...I forgot about taxes being included. Thanks for the explanation!

[babym2]

cayman gt4 or m2 cs, tough decision haha, only a fool would buy this

[BroDoze]

Originally Posted by babym2

cayman gt4 or m2 cs, tough decision haha, only a fool would buy this

And pretty much NOBODY buys a P-car at base price.

[Artemis]

Base price = 6-speed manual transmission + non-metallic body color (Alpine White).

• Base price for Germany (source: BMW Group PressClub Deutschland - see here):

  "Der Einstiegspreis für den BMW M2 CS liegt bei 95.000 Euro."

• Base price for Belgium and Luxembourg (source: BMW Group PressClub Belux - see here (FR) and here (NL)):

  "Prices for the BMW M2 CS start at €96.500 for Belgium and €93.350 for Luxembourg."

• Base price for France (source: BMW Group PressClub France - see here):

  "Tarif au 6 novembre 2019 de la BMW M2 CS: 99 800 €"

• Base price for the United Kingdom (source: BMW Group PressClub UK - see here):

  "Prices start from £75,320 OTR."

• Base price for Switzerland (source: BMW Group PressClub Schweiz - see here):

  "Der Einstiegspreis für den BMW M2 CS liegt bei CHF 114'900.-"

[medphysdave]

Originally Posted by Artemis

Base price = 6-speed manual transmission + non-metallic body color (Alpine White).

• Base price for Germany (source: BMW Group PressClub Deutschland - see here):

  "Der Einstiegspreis für den BMW M2 CS liegt bei 95.000 Euro."

• Base price for Belgium and Luxembourg (source: BMW Group PressClub Belux - see here (FR) and here (NL)):

  "Prices for the BMW M2 CS start at €96.500 for Belgium and €93.350 for Luxembourg."

• Base price for France (source: BMW Group PressClub France - see here):

  "Tarif au 6 novembre 2019 de la BMW M2 CS: 99 800 €"

• Base price for the United Kingdom (source: BMW Group PressClub UK - see here):

  "Prices start from £75,320 OTR."

• Base price for Switzerland (source: BMW Group PressClub Schweiz - see here):

  "Der Einstiegspreis für den BMW M2 CS liegt bei CHF 114'900.-"

Sadly, without some pricing correction for the US and looking at the OTR in £ for M3/M4CS vs List in $ it would put the M2CS in the US between $83k and $87k. Which is about $5k higher than my previous math. Maybe subtract a couple of $k for MT.

Why have they released pricing in these other markets, but not US market.

Edit:. There is further hope for slightly lower price. A UK M2C equipped like the US spec is roughly £57k with base price of £50k (These are OTR prices). US is $63k and applying the same 28% increase would be $80k. This is for 6MT. This jives with my above numbers of $81k for 6MT. That's pricey. I'd likely not equip CCB as an option at this price because the car will be borderline overpriced for the market at $81k. You'll never see the money spent on CCB. If the M2CS falls victim to the same pricing fiasco as the bigger siblings, then you've pissed away a lot of money as you'll loose the large depreciation Delta, and cost of CCB.

The positive is that the M2CS won't have as far to fall. It's clearly worth more than the C. So even at $85k that's only a $20k Delta. And the CS is easily worth $10k more than the C. My point is that there is much less risk to the M3/M4CS pricing issue since the CS will not sell for C prices.

[Hegge]

Thanks for the post Dave. I agree CCBs are too expensive and you most likely not recoup the costs on a resale. Not worth it as normal brakes are good enough.

Regarding price, I need an automatic so Cayman GT4 is out. There may be a PDK version in a Cayman RS but that will be likely $130k plus another $20k in options. GT4 RS won't be here until 2021 or so and will be hard to get an allocation.

992 911 turbo will be $160k plus another $20 in options. 992 911 GT3 will probably be at least $155k plus another $20k in options.

I built a 992 911 Carrera S and arrived at $130k with modest options. Some are on dealer lots for $150k or more.

My point is at say $85k base that the M2 CS for someone who needs an automatic is a bargain. Plus it will be rare and unique unlike a 911carrera S. I'm not interested in the used car market. Nor any interest in AMG or Audi.

[medphysdave]

I agree, it's still somewhat of a bargain when you look at the performance vs function when compared to the market. "Expensive" is relative to the person opening their wallet. Some won't be able to reach it, some will stretch, some will be comfortable with it, and others will look at it as saving them $40k-$60k because they didn't feel the need to go buy a new P-car.

If it was mid 70s I was planning to add CCB, at mid 80s I will not.

[Tornado1M]

Originally Posted by GimmeanM

This was discussed earlier (around the time of the Brussels preview) that if you were to decide to do the direct conversion method you would need to remove VAT beforehand, which I think was quoted at 23%?

If so that's €73,150 which would then convert to $81,197.

I've heard a rumor from a BMWNA employee that it will be "in the 70's". Really hoping that's true!!

Funny!

My Sales Advisor told me he heard that the base price maybe in the upper 70's in the USA

🤔🤔🤔

I could get on board with that!

[Hegge]

Originally Posted by Tornado1M

Funny!

My Sales Advisor told me he heard that the base price maybe in the upper 70's in the USA

🤔🤔🤔

I could get on board with that!

Upper $70's in US would be great. Let's hope. Hopefully a US price reveal at LA Auto Show this month.

[arciga18]

Originally Posted by Hegge

Upper $70's in US would be great. Let's hope. Hopefully a US price reveal at LA Auto Show this month.

It surely needs a price by the time they reveal the at LA .

Two more weeks of waiting.

[JCZ5]

Originally Posted by arciga18

It surely needs a price by the time they reveal the at LA .

Two more weeks of waiting.

Agreed!

I don't like this new trend of new car releases where they do the car release, but not the cost release. This has been done with the RS6 and C8...

What do they think holding back the pricing will do? Are they looking to see the discussions from the market before they actually put pen on paper?

[arciga18]

Price was decided on a while ago. I think they are trying to create market hype.

I'm just trying to decide if I should ask for my deposit back lol.

Amex is going to want their money next month.


————————————————-
*****complete guess *****


78560 us msrp

You heard it here first . Lol