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      11-23-2019, 08:45 PM   #199
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So many panties. So much bunching. If you think the price is too high or you simply can't afford it, let the market play out and see what happens. Maybe you'll get one at a discount down the road. And if not, the car was sour grapes anyway so you're all set.
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According to "Road and Track" the M2 comp weighs 3,582 with a manual.

"Fastest laps . Com" has the CS weigh 3,377 which I'm assuming is with CCB. Without that option, it will be 3,418 with a manual.

So if this is accurate, it is about 164lbs lighter than the M2 Comp
Fastestlaps...lol. Might as well quote Wikipedia.

SportAuto weighed both. Their test M2CS was 94lbs less than M2C. CCB rotors make up 52lbs of that 94lbs. Hope you will spec CCB on your CS.
To use this car as intended on track stay well away from CCB. They are purely intended for street use unless you have a bottomless pit of cash
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According to "Road and Track" the M2 comp weighs 3,582 with a manual.

"Fastest laps . Com" has the CS weigh 3,377 which I'm assuming is with CCB. Without that option, it will be 3,418 with a manual.

So if this is accurate, it is about 164lbs lighter than the M2 Comp
Fastestlaps...lol. Might as well quote Wikipedia.

SportAuto weighed both. Their test M2CS was 94lbs less than M2C. CCB rotors make up 52lbs of that 94lbs. Hope you will spec CCB on your CS.
To use this car as intended on track stay well away from CCB. They are purely intended for street use unless you have a bottomless pit of cash
For real, it's a 'track car', simply for bragging purposes..

No way I'm going to risk taking my limited-edition, 90k Beamer to a track and potentially wreck it.

I would still get the CCBs though. They last 100,000 miles a before service in street usage. That would pay for itself over the course of its useful life in cost and lack of aggravation of not having to deal with dealers/repair shops.
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According to "Road and Track" the M2 comp weighs 3,582 with a manual.

"Fastest laps . Com" has the CS weigh 3,377 which I'm assuming is with CCB. Without that option, it will be 3,418 with a manual.

So if this is accurate, it is about 164lbs lighter than the M2 Comp
Fastestlaps...lol. Might as well quote Wikipedia.

SportAuto weighed both. Their test M2CS was 94lbs less than M2C. CCB rotors make up 52lbs of that 94lbs. Hope you will spec CCB on your CS.
To use this car as intended on track stay well away from CCB. They are purely intended for street use unless you have a bottomless pit of cash
For real, it's a 'track car', simply for bragging purposes..

No way I'm going to risk taking my limited-edition, 90k Beamer to a track and potentially wreck it.

I would still get the CCBs though. They last 100,000 miles a before service in street usage. That would pay for itself over the course of its useful life in cost and lack of aggravation of not having to deal with dealers/repair shops.
I heard they squeak beyond belief.
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According to "Road and Track" the M2 comp weighs 3,582 with a manual.

"Fastest laps . Com" has the CS weigh 3,377 which I'm assuming is with CCB. Without that option, it will be 3,418 with a manual.

So if this is accurate, it is about 164lbs lighter than the M2 Comp
Fastestlaps...lol. Might as well quote Wikipedia.

SportAuto weighed both. Their test M2CS was 94lbs less than M2C. CCB rotors make up 52lbs of that 94lbs. Hope you will spec CCB on your CS.
To use this car as intended on track stay well away from CCB. They are purely intended for street use unless you have a bottomless pit of cash
For real, it's a 'track car', simply for bragging purposes..

No way I'm going to risk taking my limited-edition, 90k Beamer to a track and potentially wreck it.

I would still get the CCBs though. They last 100,000 miles a before service in street usage. That would pay for itself over the course of its useful life in cost and lack of aggravation of not having to deal with dealers/repair shops.
I heard they squeak beyond belief.
I heard the same and also some rotors supposedly crack and cost thousands to replace.. Yet, I would still fux with it..

Life's a big gamble..

BMW's training manual for CCBs:

https://f10.m5post.com/forums/attach...2&d=1563376730
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For real, it's a 'track car', simply for bragging purposes..

No way I'm going to risk taking my limited-edition, 90k Beamer to a track and potentially wreck it.

I would still get the CCBs though. They last 100,000 miles a before service in street usage. That would pay for itself over the course of its useful life in cost and lack of aggravation of not having to deal with dealers/repair shops.
BMW uses CCB on all cars at the M schools that offer them. I agree they are potentially a better option for street use.

The problem is that you can't easily tell their wear status. The indicators are hard to read and can be inconclusive. The correct method I think is to weigh them, which is a real pain in the ass.
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      11-23-2019, 09:41 PM   #205
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To use this car as intended on track stay well away from CCB. They are purely intended for street use unless you have a bottomless pit of cash
A lot of guys are now having their CCB rotors resurfaced by companies like RacingBrake. You can do it multiple times through their life span. CCB on the track work quite well, rotors do last longer than iron rotors. Just have to be careful removing wheels, don't chip the rotors.
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I've got an M2C now, but if somehow the M2CS sits on the lots and it goes under 75k, then I may not be able to resist.
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85k base. A lot of car could be had for that kind of cash, pass.
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So I love reviews of the CS that is coming from the LA auto show. However, does suck when the presenter did not properly research the thing they're presenting on...

Case in point...



He mentioned it will be 500 units...False
It will cost $100K...False, unconfirmed
Digital dash...False

Want to like Raiti's Ride, but get the info right first...
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Some points to note:
  • Also in the US it should be possible to negotiate a discount on an M2C. MSRP is, as it says, 'suggested'. So the base figure for calculation is normally lower than MSRP. However, it will be harder to negotiate a discount on an M2 CS than on an M2C (more in the US than in Europe). Although it's bad stereotyping, you Americans easily get infatuated by the words "limited edition", even if it's just a 'Marketing 101' trick in full effect: create artificial scarcity to boost the hype and price (see here and here).
  • Under the M2 CS lookalike scenario: except for the roof, the original replaced parts aren't sent to the scrapyard. For example a brandnew set of 788M wheels that got replaced by 763M wheels, ain't worth $0. You can recoup a small part of the price of the new parts by parting out the existing replaced ones, or keep those as spare parts for future purposes (retrofitting at resale date + parting out the aftermarkter/new parts).
  • Mimicking an M2 CS will never get you an M2 CS - it will rather get you a questionable "M2 CS wannabe" status. But to each his own. Lots of petrolheads add parts because they like those, or consider those functional, rather than for mimicking a higher tier car in the car pecking order.
  • Several 'M2 CS only' parts are new and no 'M Performance Parts'. For example, it would surprise me if the 763M wheels on the M2 CS would feature "M Performance" stamps. I guess they don't. And more generally speaking, in principle, 'M2 CS only' parts will only be made available by BMW to M2 CS customers. Non-M2 CS owners either need to browse through the M Performance back catalogue, or need to venture around in the after market circuit, or ask an M2 CS friend a favor, or - horresco referens & left to your own devices as regards risks - buy questionable cheapo replicas or knock-offs.
This car is perfectly fine for its target audience...which unfortunately isn’t me. I love my OG2 and have lightly modified it to be a very competent track car. I enjoy the versatility of my GC camber plates,MCS coilovers and 18 inch track wheels. I was hoping the CS would be more track focused which would include real weight reduction, proper track seats that have pass through belt openings and a suspension that allowed me to corner balance, adjust ride height plus separate rebound and compression settings. I know the CS will sell out, even with ADM...but I still feel the M has lost its way.
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People! you are also forgetting that the car overall is lighter than the competition by at least 100lbs. Power to weight ration has gone up quite a bit after the 40HP bump.
Also, The CS is definitely faster at the Hockenheim GP track, the CS was 2 full seconds faster than the competition. that's a big gap.
Not true. With optional CCB which is like a $8,000 option there is 43 kg weight difference.
M2C and M2CS without the CCB weight will almost be identical. The standard EDC shocks weigh on the M2CS more than the non EDC suspension from the M2c.
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Again, It is at least 100 lbs lighter with more power and better suspension.
Keep wishing
According to "Road and Track" the M2 comp weighs 3,582 with a manual.

"Fastest laps . Com" has the CS weigh 3,377 which I'm assuming is with CCB. Without that option, it will be 3,418 with a manual.

So if this is accurate, it is about 164lbs lighter than the M2 Comp
Bmw official weight has it the same as the comp.

Edit: CS is 1625 kg which is 3582 pounds. 18 lbs lighter than the comp.

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Not sure why the M adaptive suspension so often gets neglected.
Because they are targetting manly-men with this car.

Adaptive suspension is for guys or secretaries that want to run 20" wheels and for looks over performance but don't want a firm ride for their sensitive butts. I hope that helps answer your question.

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Not sure why the M adaptive suspension so often gets neglected.
Because they are targetting manly-men with this car.

Adaptive suspension is for guys or secretaries that want to run 20" wheels and for looks over performance but don't want a firm ride for their sensitive butts. I hope that helps answer your question.

Or, hear me out on this farfetched suspicion; it was added to electronically aid in the enhancement of the vehicle's dynamics and by extension, its braking (pitch) and handling (roll)..

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Not sure why the M adaptive suspension so often gets neglected.
Because they are targetting manly-men with this car.

Adaptive suspension is for guys or secretaries that want to run 20" wheels and for looks over performance but don't want a firm ride for their sensitive butts. I hope that helps answer your question.

The M2C does have an incredibly comfortable ride though. Near perfect ride handling balance for me. Maybe I am a Manly man? Well I sort of am as I do support the Manly Sea Eagles.

Intrigued to discover what the extra options bring though.
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Simply for comparison purposes

MSRPs

2020 BMW M2 Competition $58,900
Destination $995
Executive Package $1,200
M Driver's Package $2,500
M Performance CF Front Splitter $1,690
M Performance CF Hood $6,440
M Performance CF Roof $3,205
M Performance CF Mirror Caps $988
M Performance CF Rear Spoiler $563
M Performance CF Rear Diffuser $1,160
M Performance 763M Wheel and Tire Set $5,870

Total $83,511
It's really funny, but effectively the M2CS is to the M2C the way a Cayman GTS is to a Cayman. You get a bunch of the most popular features in a bundle at a slight discount (including adaptive suspension which you can't get on the M2C), plus some extra HP thrown in for good measure. Seems like good value for money to me, if you like the options BMW is bundling into the CS.

How come when I visit Rennlist I don't see 8,342 posts screaming about how "Porsche has screwed the pooch on this one. Cayman GTS is just a Cayman with some carbon fiber bits bolted on"? Or "Why the hell would anybody pay that premium when you can just get after market tune and carbon bits for a lower price"? Or "Anybody who would buy a Cayman GTS is a complete idiot"?

I get that everyone's got their own definition as to what "good value" is, but... damn! You read through some of these posts and if I didn't know any better, I would think that with the release of the M2CS, BMW has also decided to bomb forum members' ancestral homelands and murder forum members' pets.

Somebody else said it earlier, can't remember exact wording, but effectively sentiment was "Why are you so angry about the car? If you don't like it and don't think it's good value... don't buy it!"
Exactly. Same exact stuff people were saying about the M3 CS if I recall.
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I'm waiting back for 6+ months after they land stateside and letting the few suckers buy at msrp (and some probably over) and then gonna snap one $10k or so off msrp.

This thing is sweet but not $28k over M2c sweet.
I'll be one of the suckers. If someone can spend $100 like you spend $20. Are they really suckers, or do they just not have to worry about it or care. I'm by no means saying I'm in the $100 camp, just saying some folks have enough disposable income that $5k or 10k is meaningless in their life scheme.

I think it's a little offensive.
I will also be snatching one of these up if offered one. Who cars if it goes down $10K in 6 months (which I really doubt and agree with Artemis point earlier that dealers will only order them if there is a deposit.

Btw this will be my daily driver and will be racking up plenty of miles. It's value to me is something I can keep for a long time and still experience the analog performance of the vehicle.

I keep going back to this that we're fortunate enough to be driving these machines. Retained value is a pretty moot point unless you're a collector or speculator. Both of these require too much time or disposable income, which I am not in that camp.
Ditto if I can get one think it's going to be v tough to get a slot given the total number worldwide
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Simply for comparison purposes

MSRPs

2020 BMW M2 Competition $58,900
Destination $995
Executive Package $1,200
M Driver's Package $2,500
M Performance CF Front Splitter $1,690
M Performance CF Hood $6,440
M Performance CF Roof $3,205
M Performance CF Mirror Caps $988
M Performance CF Rear Spoiler $563
M Performance CF Rear Diffuser $1,160
M Performance 763M Wheel and Tire Set $5,870

Total $83,511
And you get Alcantara wheel, red callipers, nicer seats, higher quality leather, nicer exhaust and a CS tune with factory warranty thrown in for free

Edit: and the adjustable suspension. What. A. Bargain.
But consider this ...a lot of those special CS parts that are ADDED need to be DELETED first at the factory. In others words there is no cost to BMW for the original parts that have been replaced with CS specific parts. Now do the math.
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85k base. A lot of car could be had for that kind of cash, pass.
Agree!

How much is a Porsche Panamera that I can put in sport+ mode and have the beast in it come out.

I for one do not want a car of 2 series size for that price, I'd look for other 2 door Porsche Cayman GTS
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