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      10-09-2018, 03:30 PM   #67
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Artemis, are you sure the “similar aerodynamic aid” SCOTT mentioned wasn’t just the M Stripe Decals?
Maybe it's about the mirrors, arquitecto. There is something "superior" about the original M235i/M2 mirrors, definitely...
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Excerpt from a recent BMWBlog interview with M2 designer Al-Attar, tackling the M mirrors versus M235i mirrors topic too:
«We asked Al-Attar about some of the more controversial styling cues of the M2, as well, like the controversial issue with the lack of M mirrors. The M2 mirrors are pulled straight from the M235i while fans wanted the same mirrors from its bigger M brothers.
Al-Attar says that the team noticed during aerodynamics testing that the M mirrors actually fared worse than the M235i’s on the M2. This is likely due to the higher body of the M2 over the M3 or M4. So the M235i mirrors stayed because they offered superior aerodynamics.
The other reason for the lack of M mirrors is the need to differentiate between the M2 and the M4. “What we tried to do with the car is to keep a respectable distance from the M4; the car is very sporty, very fun to drive, but we wanted to keep the distance in positioning the car in the market,” Al-Attar mentioned."»
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But I think that this is a CS.
I agree. Its the M2C with all the M Performance goodies factory installed.

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And I will start the following threads in M2 Competition sub-forum as an M2C owner:

"Why I will never buy another BMW"
"Anyone else salty about M2 CS(L)"
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Boy, they're really trying to milk the shit out of the M2 model I see. What's next? M2 CSL-GTR? How about a special edition? A limited run of 200 cars world wide with the E46 M3 CSL chassis with an M2 shell on it. They can call it the ME246 CSL.
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Further progress. When the s58 hits the M2 next year everyone will claim they always knew it was coming!
Magazine reviews in 2020: “How the M2 should have been all along...”
the power is so linear, you can hardly tell it's a turbo.
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And this is why I skipped the Comp. The timing coincides with the S58. Given the higher tolerances I wonder if this will be the first M2 to get it.
I don't see any F8X getting the S58 before the G80/82....

But it will be exciting to watch.

Can you imagine the Bimmerpost meltdown if you're right?
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for a street car...unfortunately based on the M4 GTS experience, BMW is probably all out of ideas. Maybe expect around a 100lb weight reduction due to additional carbon fiber usage in body panels, aluminum suspension parts and removal of backseats.
Hell, they could save 20 pounds by just chopping the bottom of the udder, er, muffler off.

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the power is so linear, you can hardly tell it's a turbo.
... and then some M2C owner will get a chance to drive M2C and M2CS back to back and conclude M2C has much better low end kick and M2CS has lost its soul (oh wait... M2C didn't have any soul to begin with compared to OG M2, nevermind).
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I don't see any F8X getting the S58 before the G80/82....

But it will be exciting to watch.

Can you imagine the Bimmerpost meltdown if you're right?
Isn't the G80 launching early 2020? If so, that's prior to this CS/CSL.
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Spoiler looks very similar to the ac Schnitzer spoiler

Or a little bit like the PSM v2 spoiler which is more rounded instead of sharp in the corners
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... and then some M2C owner will get a chance to drive M2C and M2CS back to back and conclude M2C has much better low end kick and M2CS has lost its soul (oh wait... M2C didn't have any soul to begin with compared to OG M2, nevermind).
Then all will be silenced by the guy that drives all three variants and comes up with the conclusion that the best M2 is actually the 1M...
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      10-09-2018, 04:09 PM   #77
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Isn't the G80 launching early 2020? If so, that's prior to this CS/CSL.
I think that's the guess/estimate, but wouldn't this car (M2 CS/L) likely be a late 2019 release, as a 2020 model?

They've already made all the CF/M performance parts...I wouldn't imagine there would be a ton of testing to complete...
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You'd figure they'd also throw on the carbon fenders.... wonder why thats missing in this package.. 🤔
Because the stock ones look better...:
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... and then some M2C owner will get a chance to drive M2C and M2CS back to back and conclude M2C has much better low end kick and M2CS has lost its soul (oh wait... M2C didn't have any soul to begin with compared to OG M2, nevermind).
Then all will be silenced by the guy that drives all three variants and comes up with the conclusion that the best M2 is actually the 1M...
I think everyone here honestly knows that....just don't want to admit it
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Maybe this is the "real" M2 to get.
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I am actually hoping this is a CS and not a CSL - that would keep the price more reasonable, and they might make a few more too.

This will be the last DCT-equipped car from BMW too (I think, right?) - so very interested in how this shapes up.

I want nothing to do with the ZF slush headed our collective ways in the future...
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I think that's the guess/estimate, but wouldn't this car (M2 CS/L) likely be a late 2019 release, as a 2020 model?
The CSL has a mid-2020 launch as MY 2021, per inside sources. This same source mentioned a US only M2 Racing that may debut in early 2020.
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I really hope the L in CSL is actually adhered to
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I really hope the L in CSL is actually adhered to
"Luxus" (Luxury) versus "Leichtbau" (Lightweight construction/design).
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I am actually hoping this is a CS and not a CSL - that would keep the price more reasonable, and they might make a few more too.

This will be the last DCT-equipped car from BMW too (I think, right?) - so very interested in how this shapes up.

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I was confused myself.

I think this will be a CS model with some half assed weight savings.
I agree. I guess I'm just cynical about BMW actually offering a balls to the walls CSL. If I were a betting man, I'd say this car will have a CF roof, M3CS style hood, optional parts-bin carbon ceramic brakes, slightly aggressive front lip, and slightly tuned engine. Then they'll take out the armrests on the interior like in the M3CS to feel hardcore, sacrificing comfort to save 2 pounds (OK, maybe that's too cynical lol). Then the reviews will say it's a great car, but that you'll be spending an extra 25k to shave 0.3 seconds off your lap time and have less comfort for daily driving and BMW will sell every one they make.
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Definitely more aggressive looking. This would be the car that I really want. Would like confirmation if this is the CS or CSL model.
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I agree. I guess I'm just cynical about BMW actually offering a balls to the walls CSL. If I were a betting man, I'd say this car will have a CF roof, M3CS style hood, optional parts-bin carbon ceramic brakes, slightly aggressive front lip, and slightly tuned engine. Then they'll take out the armrests on the interior like in the M3CS to feel hardcore, sacrificing comfort to save 2 pounds (OK, maybe that's too cynical lol). Then the reviews will say it's a great car, but that you'll be spending an extra 25k to shave 0.3 seconds off your lap time and have less comfort for daily driving and BMW will sell every one they make.
To be added: "the lightweight door pull loops".

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