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      04-15-2020, 08:28 PM   #45
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Can't really give you a direct comparison since I've never driven the M2C, but to put it into perspective, I consistently get outpaced by E36 and E46 M3's in overall track times by more experienced drivers.

I think speed on the track is more about the driver, and less about the car. It also depends on the track, if you end up on a track with some really long straights in it, that extra HP can be put to good use.
With a cheaper car like the e36/e46 guys run, they tend to push harder and are less afraid to bin it whereas the guy in the new M2C isn’t gonna go 10/10ths.
I'm sure that has something to do with it as well, solid point.
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So M2c with a more powerful engine is faster on track, BIG surprise.
The figures you show here is less than 1s/minute in a track.
The driver will be a bigger time factor for sure. If you are tracking it will be a lot more cost effective to just buy new tires instead. Proper R-tyres alone can give you 2-4s/minute on track.
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So M2c with a more powerful engine is faster on track, BIG surprise.
The figures you show here is less than 1s/minute in a track.
The driver will be a bigger time factor for sure. If you are tracking it will be a lot more cost effective to just buy new tires instead. Proper R-tyres alone can give you 2-4s/minute on track.
Well its quite obvious, in average M2C gains 1sec per 1min track on OG.

It is faster (and probably more reliable) car due to its cooling ability.

Still both cars are great fun and I prefer looks and sound of my OG. Beauty is in eye of the beholder
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Ive tracked my M2 thrice and never had a cooling issue
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Ive tracked my M2 thrice and never had a cooling issue
But have you tracked it in triple digit weather? That's when the cooling issues present themselves.
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But have you tracked it in triple digit weather? That's when the cooling issues present themselves.
Has the aftermarket provided a solution? Triple digit weather is pretty much a given for me...

I don't play the racing game anymore, but I did take the green flag at big willow at 109 deg F air temp once. Cool shirt. FTW!
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So M2c with a more powerful engine is faster on track, BIG surprise.
The figures you show here is less than 1s/minute in a track.
The driver will be a bigger time factor for sure. If you are tracking it will be a lot more cost effective to just buy new tires instead. Proper R-tyres alone can give you 2-4s/minute on track.
After over 50 track days with my OG M2, I am always surprised when people say they need better brakes...with fluid, pads and ducts I can haul it from 150 to 60 all day long and brake as late as a GT3. This leads me to why I like the OG....I can run virtually any 18 inch wheel/tire set up I want. With proper tires the OG is quicker than the C on tread. I know it’s apples and oranges, but the C cars tend to drive on “street” tires to the track, rather than load a set of expensive 19 slicks in the back. Plus my Schroth four point fits under the headrest instead of sliding out of place in the newer seats. Both great cars, just a few observations.
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After over 50 track days with my OG M2, I am always surprised when people say they need better brakes...with fluid, pads and ducts I can haul it from 150 to 60 all day long and brake as late as a GT3. This leads me to why I like the OG....I can run virtually any 18 inch wheel/tire set up I want. With proper tires the OG is quicker than the C on tread. I know it’s apples and oranges, but the C cars tend to drive on “street” tires to the track, rather than load a set of expensive 19 slicks in the back. Plus my Schroth four point fits under the headrest instead of sliding out of place in the newer seats. Both great cars, just a few observations.
I agree, the stock blue brakes are sufficient however the initial bite and feel isn't as good as 2NH. But I'd rather have brake that can fit 18's over 2NH for track. This is why I tracked my 17 M2 and decided not to bother tracking my 19 M2C. Did not want to rebuy 19" wheels, camber plates, figure out a seat/harness solution and rebuy brake pads. I have no doubt that on equal setup (brakes, tires etc) the M2C is going to be noticeably faster on track just from the motor upgrade. I was constantly wishing the N55 had more top end on track.
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Has the aftermarket provided a solution? Triple digit weather is pretty much a given for me...

I don't play the racing game anymore, but I did take the green flag at big willow at 109 deg F air temp once. Cool shirt. FTW!
Any decent aftermarket FMIC solves those cooling issues.

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After over 50 track days with my OG M2, I am always surprised when people say they need better brakes...with fluid, pads and ducts I can haul it from 150 to 60 all day long and brake as late as a GT3.
Those ducts make a huge difference. You've added a brake cooling solution that the car did not come with. Without them, the brakes on the OG M2 will overheat quickly at heavy braking tracks.
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Any decent aftermarket FMIC solves those cooling issues.



Those ducts make a huge difference. You've added a brake cooling solution that the car did not come with. Without them, the brakes on the OG M2 will overheat quickly at heavy braking tracks.
It is amazing that BMW did not consider adding brake ducts...even as an mperformance part. I did a $50 DIY and it works great. After I added the ducts I converted to Stoptech front slotted rotors which claim to push 60% more air.
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It is amazing that BMW did not consider adding brake ducts...even as an mperformance part. I did a $50 DIY and it works great. After I added the ducts I converted to Stoptech front slotted rotors which claim to push 60% more air.
Right? It's crazy.
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Any decent aftermarket FMIC solves those cooling issues.
Yeah. Kinda looking for the forum wisdom on which front mount intercoolers are "decent".

Found what I was looking for: https://f87.bimmerpost.com/forums/sh....php?t=1458121
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It is amazing that BMW did not consider adding brake ducts...even as an mperformance part. I did a $50 DIY and it works great. After I added the ducts I converted to Stoptech front slotted rotors which claim to push 60% more air.
I don't think BMW really expects people to track their cars, at least not a significant enough % to think about things like brake ducts
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Yeah. Kinda looking for the forum wisdom on which front mount intercoolers are "decent".

Found what I was looking for: https://f87.bimmerpost.com/forums/sh....php?t=1458121
I'd personally recommend Wagner or CSF.
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Any decent aftermarket FMIC solves those cooling issues.



Those ducts make a huge difference. You've added a brake cooling solution that the car did not come with. Without them, the brakes on the OG M2 will overheat quickly at heavy braking tracks.
Wouldnt the overheating issue be worse with the m2c and its bbk?
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Wouldnt the overheating issue be worse with the m2c and its bbk?
Probably only slightly better because of the increased thermal mass.
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I don't think BMW really expects people to track their cars, at least not a significant enough % to think about things like brake ducts
And you can see it in the weight. I mean, what a pig. Not a track car at all, just a fun daily/HPDE car.
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And you can see it in the weight. I mean, what a pig. Not a track car at all, just a fun daily/HPDE car.
Name a new 4 seater with equivalent performance which is lighter...
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Name a new 4 seater with equivalent performance which is lighter...
Oh it's not about that at all, compare dicks with someone else. I'm talking as a general rule. The car is way too posh to be a serious track car in stock form. It's an upscale yuppie car made to feel fast, not be fast without serious work.
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And you can see it in the weight. I mean, what a pig. Not a track car at all, just a fun daily/HPDE car.
I'm not following your logic? What car that you can register for street use in the US is a "track car" using your logic? Oh and is a 6 speed :-)

Anyone can turn a registered street car into a track only ride. Of course then you need to tow it, etc.

BMW hasn't cared about putting its cars on a diet unless they can make more money (Carbon fiber parts) etc. I used to drive the BMW M Manager nuts 15+ years ago on this very subject.
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I'm not following your logic? What car that you can register for street use in the US is a "track car" using your logic? Oh and is a 6 speed :-)

Anyone can turn a registered street car into a track only ride. Of course then you need to tow it, etc.

BMW hasn't cared about putting its cars on a diet unless they can make more money (Carbon fiber parts) etc. I used to drive the BMW M Manager nuts 15+ years ago on this very subject.
A used Lotus Elise.

And carbon fiber trash isn't a diet, most of the parts replaced by carbon are pretty light anyway, plastic, or aluminum in many cases. If you want light, you're going to have to work for it, from the ground up.
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A used Lotus Elise.

And carbon fiber trash isn't a diet, most of the parts replaced by carbon are pretty light anyway, plastic, or aluminum in many cases. If you want light, you're going to have to work for it, from the ground up.
YUP Elise works, so does my 2017 Miata RF.

The Elise's tub is tough to get into and out of but you wear it like a glove. I've driven and instructed in several of them including a SC and turbo...

So its the complete opposite. Its a track car that can be used on the street, but
Its got lots of issues as a dual use car...

I always found it special it competed against C6 Vettes is the SS Class for Solo 2. A nimble kart it is!
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