[sharpmoney]

anyone try this oil yet in the M2/M2c?

https://www.motul.com/us/en-US/produ...ll-01-fe-5w-30

wondering how it compares to the BMW branded TPT FE oil.

i also don't see a spec sheet for the motul or the BMW TPT, if anyone can find one that would be great to compare?

Thanks.

[F87source]

I personally don't like FE oils because they try to make the oils as low friction as possible to get better fuel economy so as a result you loose protection. If you must have motul another suggestion would be motul 8100 xmax 0w40. This is the next best range of oil motul offers with the best being 300v.

I personally would go for pennzoil platnium euro 5w40 since it has the same specs if not better compared to other more expensive brands like xmax 0w40, liquimoly leicthauf 5w40 (penzzoil has a way lower NOACK and better HTHS). It is also significantly cheaper.

[sharpmoney]

Originally Posted by F87source

I personally don't like FE oils because they try to make the oils as low friction as possible to get better fuel economy so as a result you loose protection. If you must have motul another suggestion would be motul 8100 xmax 0w40. This is the next best range of oil motul offers with the best being 300v.

I personally would go for pennzoil platnium euro 5w40 since it has the same specs if not better compared to other more expensive brands like xmax 0w40, liquimoly leicthauf 5w40 (penzzoil has a way lower NOACK and better HTHS). It is also significantly cheaper.

will going with "regular" LL01 (non FE) approved oil be ok for warranty purposes?

[F87source]

Originally Posted by sharpmoney

will going with "regular" LL01 (non FE) approved oil be ok for warranty purposes?

Yes LL01 and LL01FE are approved for use. https://www.newtis.info/tisv2/a/en/f...engine/1PSryV8

There is nothing wrong with LL01FE fluids I just personally do not prefer fuel efficiency oils as they always run a bit thin to reduce drag on the rotating assembly and imo do not provide as much shear protection under high performance situations like track use.


Although if you are changing your fluid in between dealership oil changes I recommend you use oil of the same weight do not mix a dealership 30 weight with an after market 40 weight. I would also keep the first digit the same as well so if the dealer is using a 0w stick to a 0w fluid. The most optimal situation is to use the exact same oil so there is no huge difference in additive packs too, but if this cannot be done it shouldn't really matter too much as long as the oil weights are the same.

[sharpmoney]

Originally Posted by F87source

Yes LL01 and LL01FE are approved for use. https://www.newtis.info/tisv2/a/en/f...engine/1PSryV8

There is nothing wrong with LL01FE fluids I just personally do not prefer fuel efficiency oils as they always run a bit thin to reduce drag on the rotating assembly and imo do not provide as much shear protection under high performance situations like track use.


Although if you are changing your fluid in between dealership oil changes I recommend you use oil of the same weight do not mix a dealership 30 weight with an after market 40 weight. I would also keep the first digit the same as well so if the dealer is using a 0w stick to a 0w fluid. The most optimal situation is to use the exact same oil so there is no huge difference in additive packs too, but if this cannot be done it shouldn't really matter too much as long as the oil weights are the same.

i guess if sticking with FE from the dealer i have to go with the BMW TPT, since the motul is 5w not 0w. didnt know i needed to stay in the same weights, good to know.

[sharpmoney]

for non track driving how much worse off is the FE oil with the 3.0 instead of 3.5 HTHS?

[F87source]

Originally Posted by sharpmoney

i guess if sticking with FE from the dealer i have to go with the BMW TPT, since the motul is 5w not 0w. didnt know i needed to stay in the same weights, good to know.

I'm not 100% sure you have to stick with the exact same weights, but my thought process was you don't want two different oils warming up at different times in your oiling loop, because some spots of the oil will be more viscous than others which probably won't great for wear and tear. So it's probably better just to stick to the exact same weight.

Originally Posted by sharpmoney

for non track driving how much worse off is the FE oil with the 3.0 instead of 3.5 HTHS?

That's a really hard question, and one that's probably best answered by a used oil analysis. But as long as it's LL01 you should be fine.

[sharpmoney]

i take a handful of very short trips per week (under 10min) so i think this is very bad for the oil, so i want to change it out every 5k miles in between dealer changes.

[F87source]

Originally Posted by sharpmoney

i take a handful of very short trips per week (under 10min) so i think this is very bad for the oil, so i want to change it out every 5k miles in between dealer changes.

Not really optimal to take those short of a trip. You will get severe condenstation build up and your oil will turn milky. It's probably best to at least get 1-2 long trips per week to help burn (evaporate) out this water. You probably should also get an even lower oil change interval.

[F87source]

BTW why are you not looking at the other motul oils like XMAX 8100 0w40 and Xcess gen 2 if you are worried about low HTHS? Those oils are both LL01 and have a higher HTHS.

[sharpmoney]

Originally Posted by F87source

Not really optimal to take those short of a trip. You will get severe condenstation build up and your oil will turn milky. It's probably best to at least get 1-2 long trips per week to help burn (evaporate) out this water. You probably should also get an even lower oil change interval.

i definitely take long 20-30mi trips as well, but from my apt to the beach is only like 2miles. i will be getting a bike or a scooter so i dont have to take my car, parking there can be sketchy anyway.

[F87source]

Originally Posted by sharpmoney

i definitely take long 20-30mi trips as well, but from my apt to the beach is only like 2miles. i will be getting a bike or a scooter so i dont have to take my car, parking there can be sketchy anyway.

good to know, but make sure you change your oil frequently if doing short trips.

Maybe get some roller blades if you know how to skate, so much fun and easier to store than a bike when at the beach, or you can toss it in a back pack and carry it with you.

I personally would get bauers or mission roller hockey skates because I like the angle of attack it gives you when skating, and I like the cornering ability. But if you are a beginner get some with inline skates with brakes.

[sharpmoney]

Originally Posted by F87source

BTW why are you not looking at the other motul oils like XMAX 8100 0w40 and Xcess gen 2 if you are worried about low HTHS? Those oils are both LL01 and have a higher HTHS.

im a bit of a noob, just learning about oils...does not help that BMW has been absurdly confusing from what ive read on what they allow for the S55....0w-40, LL-01....then 5w-30, now 0w-30 FE etc etc.

i am also not going to be driving on the track (at least not as of now) so i dont know how much HTHS will affect me, i just know (obviously) that higher is better, and i dont care about 1% in fuel economy as i am getting pretty shitty mileage anyway.

i plan on keeping this car for a good bit so i want to do changes in between the 10k dealer visits and i will try to limit my sub 10mile trips.

[F87source]

Originally Posted by sharpmoney

im a bit of a noob, just learning about oils...does not help that BMW has been absurdly confusing from what ive read on what they allow for the S55....0w-40, LL-01....then 5w-30, now 0w-30 FE etc etc.

i am also not going to be driving on the track (at least not as of now) so i dont know how much HTHS will affect me, i just know (obviously) that higher is better, and i dont care about 1% in fuel economy as i am getting pretty shitty mileage anyway.

i plan on keeping this car for a good bit so i want to do changes in between the 10k dealer visits and i will try to limit my sub 10mile trips.

Get an LL01 oil and you will be fine if you are not tracking.

If you plan on changing between dealership visits use the same weight of oil.

[sharpmoney]

Originally Posted by F87source

Get an LL01 oil and you will be fine if you are not tracking.

If you plan on changing between dealership visits use the same weight of oil.

right, just gonna do the TPT 0w-30FE since thats what the dealer puts in even though its pretty grossly expensive relative to all the other options.

[F87source]

Originally Posted by sharpmoney

right, just gonna do the TPT 0w-30FE since thats what the dealer puts in even though its pretty grossly expensive relative to all the other options.

Yeah it is crazy expensive, but worth it for your warranty and for not mixing different oil weights.

[sharpmoney]

Originally Posted by F87source

Yeah it is crazy expensive, but worth it for your warranty and for not mixing different oil weights.

could go the FCP euro route, but being that i am in CA, probably pretty expensive to ship it back.

[F87source]

Originally Posted by sharpmoney

could go the FCP euro route, but being that i am in CA, probably pretty expensive to ship it back.

true.

[tranck]

My Indy service advisor recommended Motul 8100 5w-40 plus, Liquimoly's Mos2 Antifriction additive - this ok right?

[F87source]

Originally Posted by tranck

My Indy service advisor recommended Motul 8100 5w-40 plus, Liquimoly's Mos2 Antifriction additive - this ok right?

which 8100 there are alot of variants, here is a link to all the bmw ll01 approved oils so you can check: https://www.newtis.info/tisv2/a/en/e...ply/1VnYpiUbyG

Do not use any additives.

[sharpmoney]

Originally Posted by sharpmoney

could go the FCP euro route, but being that i am in CA, probably pretty expensive to ship it back.

https://www.fcpeuro.com/products/bmw...-11427854445kt

would this kit work for the M2 comp? same drain bolts etc? i know the oil filter is the same. man is this steep even compared to liqui moly.

[F87source]

Originally Posted by sharpmoney

https://www.fcpeuro.com/products/bmw...-11427854445kt

would this kit work for the M2 comp? same drain bolts etc? i know the oil filter is the same. man is this steep even compared to liqui moly.

Yeah it should be fine.

You could just get some LL01 0w30 Castrol edge or something.