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      05-03-2020, 07:43 AM   #1783
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Interesting market in Australia . . . appears everything costs double what it does in the U.S. with regard to M2C and M2CS. Have no idea of the financial structure in Australia, including currency exchange, but $120K for an M2C and $165K for an M2CS sounds REALLY expensive in any currency and market. I assume that is why there are so many of each, in relative terms, available.

Best paint to wheel color combo is still HS and black. . . Competition or CS.

Fact that there are so many M2CS available seems to lend credence to notion that prospective buyers are not lined up to obtain M2CS. Multiple factors, of course, including Covid, economy, cost . . . and what I perceive as an overall lack of interest associated with what the M2CS does not offer over the M2C for price differential.

Finally, on the Australian website it indicates 'drive away' which I assume means the M2CS listed are available at dealership? At very least, it appears all are already spec'd and without option for purchaser optioning? If so, how is it possible the M2CS is already available and BMW has yet to even pursue a press release?

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Interesting market in Australia . . . appears everything costs double what it does in the U.S. with regard to M2C and M2CS. Have no idea of the financial structure in Australia, including currency exchange, but $120K for an M2C and $165K for an M2CS sounds REALLY expensive in any currency and market. I assume that is why there are so many of each, in relative terms, available.

Best paint to wheel color combo is still HS and black. . . Competition or CS.

Fact that there are so many M2CS available seems to lend credence to notion that prospective buyers are not lined up to obtain M2CS. Multiple factors, of course, including Covid, economy, cost . . . and what I perceive as an overall lack of interest associated with what the M2CS does not offer over the M2C for price differential.

Finally, on the Australian website it indicates 'drive away' which I assume means the M2CS listed are available at dealership? At very least, it appears all are already spec'd and without option for purchaser optioning? If so, how is it possible the M2CS is already available and BMW has yet to even pursue a press release?

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Interesting market in Australia . . . appears everything costs double what it does in the U.S. with regard to M2C and M2CS. Have no idea of the financial structure in Australia, including currency exchange, but $120K for an M2C and $165K for an M2CS sounds REALLY expensive in any currency and market. I assume that is why there are so many of each, in relative terms, available.

Best paint to wheel color combo is still HS and black. . . Competition or CS.

Fact that there are so many M2CS available seems to lend credence to notion that prospective buyers are not lined up to obtain M2CS. Multiple factors, of course, including Covid, economy, cost . . . and what I perceive as an overall lack of interest associated with what the M2CS does not offer over the M2C for price differential.

Finally, on the Australian website it indicates 'drive away' which I assume means the M2CS listed are available at dealership? At very least, it appears all are already spec'd and without option for purchaser optioning? If so, how is it possible the M2CS is already available and BMW has yet to even pursue a press release?

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Well, I am sure there are other factors in Australian vehicle pricing that make the differences in price significant.

The projected $85K in U.S. for M2CS is already bogus . . . but I am pretty certain even Dave would not consider the M2CS 'exclusive enough' to warrant $102K.

At any rate, clearly Australians are not lined up to get the M2CS, and I would not be surprised to see U.S. dealerships with M2CS sitting on their lot at some point as well.

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Not that anyone needs this to be pointed out to them, but Covid impact on economy and car sales will become increasingly apparent. Pre-Covid, good luck trying to get a 718 GT4 chassis build. Finding a new, unclaimed GT4 on dealership lot the equivalent of a small miracle. Will be interesting to see how long this one sits still . . .

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Well, I am sure there are other factors in Australian vehicle pricing that make the differences in price significant.

The projected $85K in U.S. for M2CS is already bogus . . . but I am pretty certain even Dave would not consider the M2CS 'exclusive enough' to warrant $102K.

At any rate, clearly Australians are not lined up to get the M2CS, and I would not be surprised to see U.S. dealerships with M2CS sitting on their lot at some point as well.

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Not that anyone needs this to be pointed out to them, but Covid impact on economy and car sales will become increasingly apparent. Pre-Covid, good luck trying to get a 718 GT4 chassis build. Finding a new, unclaimed GT4 on dealership lot the equivalent of a small miracle. Will be interesting to see how long this one sits still . . .

https://www.porschebeachwood.com/det...5lk289171.html
Assuming that we are talking about a country with at least 25 Million population , and assuming as well that only 70 M2cs only are for the australian market , i dont think that the demand will be lower ! Its 20-25k more than a comp , but only 10K more than a basic M4 , but in a more special package :
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@AVM you are correct. I'd have to jump ship at $102k. Probably lower actually. Im still debating CCB, which I'm guessing would put me at around $95k all in, which seems an ill move. That's going to be too close to c8 Z06 and gets me thinking about a GT3. Currently there isn't another 4 seat car like the M2CS that I feel passionate about.
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Not sure I missed something, but all of the above images were the same to my eye?

Other than that, was there something more to the images than 'meets the eye?' They just appeared to be another image of a blue M2Cs with black wheels, suggesting I missed the point of your posting them?

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Not sure I missed something, but all of the above images were the same to my eye?

Other than that, was there something more to the images than 'meets the eye?' They just appeared to be another image of a blue M2Cs with black wheels, suggesting I missed the point of your posting them?

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I edited it to just one link. I thought it gave a URL to each of the three pictures, but looks like it goes to the Instagram post and you can swipe to see other two images. Probably the most real world images of MB that I've seen. Had the gold wheels and red calipers.
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Cars showing up for sale in Australia

https://www.carsales.com.au/cars/bmw...nce-lifestyles
Dave

Interesting market in Australia . . . appears everything costs double what it does in the U.S. with regard to M2C and M2CS. Have no idea of the financial structure in Australia, including currency exchange, but $120K for an M2C and $165K for an M2CS sounds REALLY expensive in any currency and market. I assume that is why there are so many of each, in relative terms, available.

Best paint to wheel color combo is still HS and black. . . Competition or CS.

Fact that there are so many M2CS available seems to lend credence to notion that prospective buyers are not lined up to obtain M2CS. Multiple factors, of course, including Covid, economy, cost . . . and what I perceive as an overall lack of interest associated with what the M2CS does not offer over the M2C for price differential.

Finally, on the Australian website it indicates 'drive away' which I assume means the M2CS listed are available at dealership? At very least, it appears all are already spec'd and without option for purchaser optioning? If so, how is it possible the M2CS is already available and BMW has yet to even pursue a press release?

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In Australia M2C is USD$70k
M2cs is USD$98k

Drive away means final price including all taxes of which there are many. But Australian average salaries are generally higher than US.

For comparison drive away price on 992 Carrera 2s here is usd$210k

If you click the ad you will see the words "available to order". There no cars in the country.

So it's either click bait to get people to call or perhaps one or two people have dropped out.
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https://www.carsales.com.au/cars/bmw...nce-lifestyles
Dave

Interesting market in Australia . . . appears everything costs double what it does in the U.S. with regard to M2C and M2CS. Have no idea of the financial structure in Australia, including currency exchange, but $120K for an M2C and $165K for an M2CS sounds REALLY expensive in any currency and market. I assume that is why there are so many of each, in relative terms, available.

Best paint to wheel color combo is still HS and black. . . Competition or CS.

Fact that there are so many M2CS available seems to lend credence to notion that prospective buyers are not lined up to obtain M2CS. Multiple factors, of course, including Covid, economy, cost . . . and what I perceive as an overall lack of interest associated with what the M2CS does not offer over the M2C for price differential.

Finally, on the Australian website it indicates 'drive away' which I assume means the M2CS listed are available at dealership? At very least, it appears all are already spec'd and without option for purchaser optioning? If so, how is it possible the M2CS is already available and BMW has yet to even pursue a press release?

///AVM
In Australia M2C is USD$70k
M2cs is USD$98k

Drive away means final price including all taxes of which there are many. But Australian average salaries are generally higher than US.

For comparison drive away price on 992 Carrera 2s here is usd$210k

If you click the ad you will see the words "available to order". There no cars in the country.

So it's either click bait to get people to call or perhaps one or two people have dropped out.
Thank you Davil.

Good feedback.

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I'm still deciding on HS or MB. I change my mind every second day.

I finally saw another HS M2c on the road the other day. I've seen them in every other colour but HS. It looked sensational. He was behind me swapping lanes for a good 10-15 minutes. This was just after I has "decided" on MB. It's funny how you stare at your own car all the time but never really see how it looks on the road. So this was an eye opener. Like a new context that made me love the colour all over again.

One thing I do know is that no way in hell will I be getting those gold wheels. 🤮
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Thank you Davil.

Good feedback.

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Jeez. I just read on the AU forum that some guy picked up a brand new M2C for AUS 92k / USD 58k. I guess this covid thing is having an effect.
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I'm still deciding on HS or MB. I change my mind every second day.

I finally saw another HS M2c on the road the other day. I've seen them in every other colour but HS. It looked sensational. He was behind me swapping lanes for a good 10-15 minutes. This was just after I has "decided" on MB. It's funny how you stare at your own car all the time but never really see how it looks on the road. So this was an eye opener. Like a new context that made me love the colour all over again.

One thing I do know is that no way in hell will I be getting those gold wheels. 🤮
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As set as I am on the MB with gold wheels, I have to admit the murdered out CS with the CCB's is damned hot.
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At any rate, clearly Australians are not lined up to get the M2CS, and I would not be surprised to see U.S. dealerships with M2CS sitting on their lot at some point as well.
I guess that most dealerships will be cautious: only order an M2 CS if they got a signed order or if they want to keep the car for themselves (showroom car).
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The gold wheels IMO look even better under those direct sunlight shots as it appears they are far more faded than the strong yellowish tone the fluorescent lights in showrooms seem to (falsely relative to real-world) accentuate.

All this 'hate' about them here is kinda funny. If you were to just hope over to the Porsche boards you'll see majority of ppl have been going gaga over the - mind you a USD $13K option - gold magnesium wheels on the GT3/2 RS...
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