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No one here has a problem removing the front subframe to install the dubious crank capture bolt or rear subframe to install a sway bar but get their pants in a bunch pulling the roof and gluing in a new one. Not like the car will split in two when they remove the roof. Correct me if I'm wrong but I do believe there are cross members just not structural (could be wrong about this part) This isn't rocket science. If the OP is worried he has his options warranty repair or sell back. New is not a choice, shipping car back to Germany and putting it back on the line is absurd, suing is what's wrong with this world and lemon law will never fly. Fix the car, drive it, if it has problems resulting from the repair deal with them or then sell it back. The latter terms are what I would negotiate. Don't want to come across as not caring and hope the OP finds a acceptable outcome. But some posts are a bit out there. People do frame off and/or replacements restorations everyday. Is a number 1 original mustang worth more than an restored one, hell yes but is a restored one worth less, hell no. People need some perspective. They act like these cars will not be in accidents, repainted, etc. In fact, dealer told me one CS had pretty bad shipping damage. Guess what, it was fixed and someone bought it. Last edited by omasou; 04-25-2021 at 09:24 AM.. |
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Odd way of thinkin- most of us are just telling him what we’d do in those shoes. I could personally care less if there is -1 cs out there and quite honestly chances are if they did buy it back they’d end up selling to someone else so I don’t think it would be out of circulation anyway
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I don't think this, I think we want to see that there is a remediation plan from BMW of some kind and that this is an isolated incident and not indictive of a bigger issue that will effect every car.
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04-26-2021, 05:59 AM | #93 | ||
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These cars, M cars, are sometimes on the bleeding edge of technology, like the roof and sometimes, shit happens. People talked about the blemish on the new roof and that didn't stop one person from buying them. Re: the general comment about quality overall. I agree and people should not accept inferior quality and should vote with their wallets. But again not the case here manufacture is stepping up and fixing the issue. The problem is not quality for some it's a lack of trust that the issue will be resolved correctly and for others it's because they are looking at the car as an investment and feel the future return is now diminished. Last edited by omasou; 04-26-2021 at 07:49 AM.. |
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This is totally OT, but I think this type of roof is the beginning of testing for a new battery tech. Imagine if they replace the inside of what's in the current roof with what they are taking about here https://insideevs.com/news/410812/bm...plate-battery/ |
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On a recently spotted BMW M2 test mule, a battery cover was mounted at the underside of the car. But this could also have been fitted merely to fool us (suggesting that it covers a battery pack, while it's in reality no EV or hybrid).
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They can lower the weight all they want with the battery packs. You still have a car that is at minimum 4000lbs+. For reference a Challenger Hellcat is 4450lbs. Once you're that heavy nothing you do will magically make the car feel nimble. Sure, they can do all sorts of stuff to put the power down, and give it grip. It'll even post amazing lap times. However, to the human behind the wheel, it won't be engaging.
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I can confirm my CSR roof was installed from the top down. I doubt the street car roof was installed from the inside out so it should be a simple swap for them if my hunch is correct.
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04-28-2021, 11:10 AM | #101 |
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If I knew where and how it was going to be repaired and I was comfortable with the process and the experience of the people performing the fix, I think I'd go that route. But I'd dig down deep to educate myself on the shop.
This is not one of those things you just drop off at the dealership and pick it up a week or two later. I'd want to be there to see how it was done. |
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It's glued in either way but seeing how the metal frame and the roof meet each other, yes, glued in from the top down just like every other CF roof that's not part of a CF chassis
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sell it back, youll never be happy, buy a competition or an M3, move on in life, if it was just cosmetic, I'd say no big deal, since its part of structure, Im saying-run away!
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I'd take a replacement roof and try to get the 7yr extended warranty on the car, and lifetime on the roof. Then try to break it for the next 7 yrs. |
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05-05-2021, 04:07 PM | #108 | |
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The extended warranty is great no doubt. But the OCD person inside me just wouldn't be able to sleep well at night knowing my new car was taken apart for a major component swap. |
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I'd say it is glued (bonded) from the inside up. In the manufacturing process before the windshield and back glass are added, it would be pressed up to meet the uniside panels where the roof bows would be with a CF skin or standard metal roof.
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As it's been mention here, ad nauseam, I'm well aware that the CS' roof install procedure and actual frame is different from that of every other BMW carbon fiber top it preceded, as it's part of the vehicle's overall chassis but I just CC-ed that PDF of the M Performance roof install instructions to outline the ancillary task required in replacing the a top, not specially the CS.' I'm actually waiting for NewTIS.com to drop an official install manual for the M2 CS but it's still on back-burner at the moment. This is a honest question; do you have some sort of verifiable source for the installation instructions of the CS' carbon roof, other than conjecture? Here is install instruction for a standard steel M2 roof. It seems like all of them require some sort of adhesive: . |
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