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Even driving a 997 Porsche vs a 991, I much preferred the steering feel and how much smaller the car felt in the 997, even though I know the 991 is a more capable car. These older / more analog cars generally feel more fun to drive slower; the newer cars tend to have a higher performance envelope and as such require exploiting the performance more to experience a similar level of fun, which one can't always safely do on public roads. That said the welcoming thing for the N55 / S55 cars is definitely the mid-range torque, that makes driving them daily quite fun IMO Boost is truly addicting and I miss having a turbo performance car in the garage. I too lurk these forums because I was super close to pulling the trigger on an F80 M3 for a daily so many freaking times, but now that the M2C is out with the same engine and with shorter wheelbase I'm back in the market as well. Perhaps for you keeping the Z4M and adding a daily like an M2 or even the B58 powered M240i (it still feels very quick and darty around town) would be a good compromise? |
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"Underwhelmed?" Not even close. Even driving at a pedestrian pace through the break-in period, I'm impressed with how well the car drives. The ride is firm for sure, but not what I would call jarring, not even over imperfections in the road. I'm pissed that my iPhone8 plus doesn't fit in the charger. My only disappoint so far.
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12-01-2018, 08:26 AM | #26 |
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Man 1/2 the posts are about the need for more power. My thought is that we shouldn’t need to tune these cars right from the gate. That fact that so many want to tune concerns me. I’m not trying to lose my warranty though. I guess I’ll take delivery and if I hate it sell it straight away. I shouldn’t lose to much money.
I’d love to tune for $550 but again I’m not trying to lose a warranty. Maybe I’ll just drop it at Dinan for a month and let them wake it up while retaining so semblance of dealer support. Note: I’m coming from an e90 m3 and e46 m3 track car. |
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12-01-2018, 08:49 AM | #27 | |
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For those that want more power, why? The M2C is very fast. More speed is just making up for the fact that modern M cars are too refined, lacking soul and character. The M2C probably has the most though. |
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12-01-2018, 10:21 AM | #29 |
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My M2C meets expectations and probably exceeds them a little. It feels as raw as my LCI M2 without a harsh ride. Harsh rides alone should not be confused with 'raw' imo.
I look forward to any drive in the Competition, more so than my M2. My acceptance of the level of sports car feel may slightly slanted as am fortunate to have anther fairly raw car to drive.
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12-01-2018, 10:22 AM | #30 |
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Dude, don't psyche yourself out. You are going to LOVE it. These aren't just good cars, they are insanely good cars. And ignore most/all of the "more power!" noise...I can quickly and easily kill myself and others with the 365hp in my M2, and you're going to have even more than that. There's a lot of verbal bat guano posted on this forum - be careful you don't step in any.
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12-01-2018, 12:19 PM | #31 |
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With a good launch on a prepped surface and decent tires, the M2C (stock) is likely a high 11-second bracket 1/4 mile car. It just amazes this old drag racing fanatic, emphasis on old, that anyone could conceive of a 12-flat/high 11s in the 1/4 as underwhelming. It's a beast and one that will, without a doubt, get many less experienced drivers in over their heads easily.
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idk what cars you guys were coming from but 400 whp is a metric ton of power to work with. Forget the fact that this isn't a dodge demon, it can actually turn
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Totally agree it's very possible to refine all the fun out of a car - it's happened before. The character and feel of a sporty car is more important to me than outright power.
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12-01-2018, 06:00 PM | #36 |
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I love the M2C. It is like a modern day E30 M3.
The car looks subtle to the lay person. Has awesome power, almost perfect steering and nimbleness in a small footprint. Rear-drive with manual trans completes my requirements. I don't see an alternate in the market that has four seats that will lure me away. I still love my E30 M3 on the track but for driving on the street and occasional track events, the M2C is a great option. Kudos to BMW for making this car. The only thing I hate is the weight - how can the smaller M2 weight more than the M4! If this car was 400 lbs lighter, I will be in driving heaven. |
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12-01-2018, 06:07 PM | #37 | |
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12-01-2018, 06:16 PM | #38 | |
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M2 Official Spec: https://www.bmwusa.com/vehicles/m-mo...fications.html M4 Official Spec: https://www.bmwusa.com/vehicles/m-mo...fications.html I still think the M2 needs to shed a couple of hundred pounds. I would have paid extra to have the option to give up motorized seats and factory CF roof etc. |
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I think this is the outdated information of the M4. The difference should be around 85lbs if I remember correctly.
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Let's not confuse the M2 with God's chariot. The E30 feels better (subjective) at everything but straight line speed. Everything is instant. I do not like the arm rest in my M2C. It's makes me contort my arm in a weird way to shift - feels unnatural. Also - on long trips I'll leverage my elbow on it to adjust my seating position only for it to slide (i keep forgetting it does that) and scare the shit out of me on the highway. That and the "sluggish" feel of whole process of driving it in anger. The clutching/shifting then tiny bit of turbo lag combined with throttle response makes for a sort of slushy feel. I think removing the clutch delay valve from the slave cylinder and the CS+ tune may help with this. I have seen Throttle response tuning options as well. Heel and toe is almost impossible at least on the street (not threshold breaking obviously). The pedals seem too far apart (forward to aft) for that and the initial bite of the brake is way ahead of where you would expect to blip the throttle to match. Perhaps I need more time to get used to the pedals vs the E30. I think out of the box it's a bit of a softy for the masses but I think with a little tinkering it should sweeten it up just right. Still waiting for the first track day to get a solid feel. Just my opinion anyway. |
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Disagree on the daily. I do commute with mine (+/-70kms/45miles one way at the moment), wouldn't give it up for the world. It's DCT however. Last edited by Spare°; 12-02-2018 at 02:55 AM.. |
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