BMW Garage BMW Meets Register Today's Posts
M2 Technical Topics > Wheels / Tires -- Sponsored by The Tire Rack > RE-71RS or Cup2 Connect on M2C for HPDE's?

Post Reply
 
Thread Tools Search this Thread
      04-11-2023, 11:14 AM   #1
flybigjet
Remove Before Flight
flybigjet's Avatar
United_States
6822
Rep
1,611
Posts

Drives: M2C & Boeing's light twin
Join Date: Dec 2019
Location: Littleton (Denver), CO

iTrader: (1)

RE-71RS or Cup2 Connect on M2C for HPDE's?

Which one?

Bridgestone RE-71RS or Micheline Cup2 Connect for HPDE's/Open Lapping.

They're *literally* the only two tires that'll work in 255/35/19 & 275/35/39.

No Auto-X, no Gymkhana, no Time Trials, no daily driving-- just to the track and back.

TIA--

R.
__________________
Current: M2C, Miata RF-GT, RDX & Element // R1200GS & VRSCF
Previous: M3, Focus ZX3-S2, Superchaged Solara, Samurai, Integra, Pinto & RX-4 // VRSCR, R6S, FZ1 & FZ600
Appreciate 0
      04-11-2023, 12:19 PM   #2
///MPhatic
The Seeker
///MPhatic's Avatar
13863
Rep
3,323
Posts

Drives: OG M2 • Exige
Join Date: Aug 2008
Location: USA

iTrader: (2)

The 71RS is going to give you better grip overall, but the Cup2 is going to last longer and be more forgiving, so it depends on your goals.
Appreciate 2
      04-11-2023, 10:44 PM   #3
AUSf22
Lieutenant Colonel
Australia
2690
Rep
1,977
Posts

Drives: 2020 M2C HS & Ferrari Roma
Join Date: Sep 2014
Location: Sydney, Australia

iTrader: (0)

Garage List
RE71RS! I love this tyre and I've driven on both.
__________________
2020 M2 Competition | Hockenheim Silver | 437M Wheels / 763M Wheels | RHD | 2NH Brakes
OEM M2 CS Steering Wheel | MP Carbon Steering Wheel Trim | MP Pedals | MP Dash | MP Interior Kit
OEM M2 CS Bonnet | M Performance Coilovers | MP Rear Spoiler | MP Rear Diffuser| Perl Carbon Front Lip | Remus Race Exhaust
Appreciate 2
      04-12-2023, 12:29 AM   #4
flybigjet
Remove Before Flight
flybigjet's Avatar
United_States
6822
Rep
1,611
Posts

Drives: M2C & Boeing's light twin
Join Date: Dec 2019
Location: Littleton (Denver), CO

iTrader: (1)

Well, THAT just clears things right up, doesn't it?

Half the posters say "Cup2C".

The other half say "-71RS".

Head? Explodey.
__________________
Current: M2C, Miata RF-GT, RDX & Element // R1200GS & VRSCF
Previous: M3, Focus ZX3-S2, Superchaged Solara, Samurai, Integra, Pinto & RX-4 // VRSCR, R6S, FZ1 & FZ600
Appreciate 1
      04-12-2023, 03:14 PM   #5
///MPhatic
The Seeker
///MPhatic's Avatar
13863
Rep
3,323
Posts

Drives: OG M2 • Exige
Join Date: Aug 2008
Location: USA

iTrader: (2)

Quote:
Originally Posted by flybigjet View Post
Well, THAT just clears things right up, doesn't it?

Half the posters say "Cup2C".

The other half say "-71RS".

Head? Explodey.
You're going to have to pick; grip (71RS) or longevity (Cup2).
Appreciate 3
flybigjet6822.00
chris7197334.00
      04-29-2023, 05:19 PM   #6
driver91
First Lieutenant
104
Rep
369
Posts

Drives:
Join Date: Apr 2008

iTrader: (1)

Just got the
71s mounted up
Ill
Let
Ya know
Appreciate 1
flybigjet6822.00
      04-29-2023, 11:19 PM   #7
ashmostro
Brigadier General
United_States
1254
Rep
4,088
Posts

Drives: 2020 M4cs | 2022 M550i
Join Date: Jan 2013
Location: Falls Church, VA

iTrader: (27)

If it's a dual purpose car, go with the Cup2's. They will last much longer and are way friendlier on the street.

The comments above are all accurate as well.
Appreciate 1
M2RAW121.00
      04-29-2023, 11:27 PM   #8
flybigjet
Remove Before Flight
flybigjet's Avatar
United_States
6822
Rep
1,611
Posts

Drives: M2C & Boeing's light twin
Join Date: Dec 2019
Location: Littleton (Denver), CO

iTrader: (1)

Quote:
Originally Posted by ashmostro View Post
If it's a dual purpose car, go with the Cup2's. They will last much longer and are way friendlier on the street.

The comments above are all accurate as well.
I've got street wheels and track wheels. These are ONLY for driving 1+15 to the track the night before, track day/HPDE, driving home that afternoon.

Still haven't made a decision, but I've got until mid-June to decide.

R.
__________________
Current: M2C, Miata RF-GT, RDX & Element // R1200GS & VRSCF
Previous: M3, Focus ZX3-S2, Superchaged Solara, Samurai, Integra, Pinto & RX-4 // VRSCR, R6S, FZ1 & FZ600
Appreciate 0
      04-29-2023, 11:28 PM   #9
ashmostro
Brigadier General
United_States
1254
Rep
4,088
Posts

Drives: 2020 M4cs | 2022 M550i
Join Date: Jan 2013
Location: Falls Church, VA

iTrader: (27)

What's your run group/experience level? Are you looking for qualifying laps or consistent endurance?
Appreciate 0
      04-30-2023, 08:10 AM   #10
flybigjet
Remove Before Flight
flybigjet's Avatar
United_States
6822
Rep
1,611
Posts

Drives: M2C & Boeing's light twin
Join Date: Dec 2019
Location: Littleton (Denver), CO

iTrader: (1)

Quote:
Originally Posted by ashmostro View Post
What's your run group/experience level? Are you looking for qualifying laps or consistent endurance?
I run A-Group/Advanced.
No timed events or racing. Just open lapping, HPDE and trying to get technically better.

I swapped to two wheel sets as I was tired of destroying my street tires every few events (PSSS & MP4S).

I rather liked the Cup 2 Connects, other than they tended to get greasy towards the end of the session, the cost and short life (5-6 days). Although I definitely don’t like the ride/feel of the Cups on the street (stiffer sidewall I’d guess?) they’re fun at the track.

So I’m toying with trying the RE71RS, but unsure if they fit.

Took A052 might work as well, but I’d have to go down to 245/265 from 255/275.

R.
__________________
Current: M2C, Miata RF-GT, RDX & Element // R1200GS & VRSCF
Previous: M3, Focus ZX3-S2, Superchaged Solara, Samurai, Integra, Pinto & RX-4 // VRSCR, R6S, FZ1 & FZ600
Appreciate 0
      04-30-2023, 01:20 PM   #11
chris719
Major General
7334
Rep
7,298
Posts

Drives: '08 M Roadster
Join Date: Oct 2007
Location: NJ

iTrader: (0)

Quote:
Originally Posted by flybigjet View Post
I run A-Group/Advanced.
No timed events or racing. Just open lapping, HPDE and trying to get technically better.

I swapped to two wheel sets as I was tired of destroying my street tires every few events (PSSS & MP4S).

I rather liked the Cup 2 Connects, other than they tended to get greasy towards the end of the session, the cost and short life (5-6 days). Although I definitely don’t like the ride/feel of the Cups on the street (stiffer sidewall I’d guess?) they’re fun at the track.

So I’m toying with trying the RE71RS, but unsure if they fit.

Took A052 might work as well, but I’d have to go down to 245/265 from 255/275.

R.
The Yokohama AD09 is in stock for 255/275. It's close enough to that group that I would probably try them. They placed last but the times are all very close in the TireRack YouTube roundup.

Appreciate 0
      04-30-2023, 01:37 PM   #12
ashmostro
Brigadier General
United_States
1254
Rep
4,088
Posts

Drives: 2020 M4cs | 2022 M550i
Join Date: Jan 2013
Location: Falls Church, VA

iTrader: (27)

Are you running sufficient negative camber, and what are your cold tire pressures set to? In my experience, Cup2s get greasy when they over-pressure. Their carcass is pretty stout.
Appreciate 0
      04-30-2023, 01:39 PM   #13
ashmostro
Brigadier General
United_States
1254
Rep
4,088
Posts

Drives: 2020 M4cs | 2022 M550i
Join Date: Jan 2013
Location: Falls Church, VA

iTrader: (27)

Btw, I run the 180 TW Mercedes specific Cup2s in those sizes and they have been great. Better than the 240 connects in the stock sizes were.

And I always order track tires with heat cycling to extend their lifespan appreciably.
Appreciate 0
      04-30-2023, 08:31 PM   #14
flybigjet
Remove Before Flight
flybigjet's Avatar
United_States
6822
Rep
1,611
Posts

Drives: M2C & Boeing's light twin
Join Date: Dec 2019
Location: Littleton (Denver), CO

iTrader: (1)

Quote:
Originally Posted by ashmostro View Post
Are you running sufficient negative camber, and what are your cold tire pressures set to? In my experience, Cup2s get greasy when they over-pressure. Their carcass is pretty stout.
-2.5 camber in the front, 28 cold on the C2C’s.
__________________
Current: M2C, Miata RF-GT, RDX & Element // R1200GS & VRSCF
Previous: M3, Focus ZX3-S2, Superchaged Solara, Samurai, Integra, Pinto & RX-4 // VRSCR, R6S, FZ1 & FZ600
Appreciate 0
      05-01-2023, 03:21 AM   #15
smmmurf
Colonel
309
Rep
2,189
Posts

Drives: E92 M3 DCT 353k+ miles
Join Date: Feb 2008
Location: Half Moon Bay, CA

iTrader: (7)

Quote:
Originally Posted by AUSf22 View Post
RE71RS! I love this tyre and I've driven on both.
This.
Appreciate 0
      05-01-2023, 03:26 AM   #16
ashmostro
Brigadier General
United_States
1254
Rep
4,088
Posts

Drives: 2020 M4cs | 2022 M550i
Join Date: Jan 2013
Location: Falls Church, VA

iTrader: (27)

Quote:
Originally Posted by flybigjet View Post
-2.5 camber in the front, 28 cold on the C2C’s.
Pressure is good. Could use more camber but that won't be what is causing the fading at the end of the session. You're probably driving past the capabilities of the tires. Might be a good to try out the 71's
Appreciate 0
      05-01-2023, 09:03 AM   #17
flybigjet
Remove Before Flight
flybigjet's Avatar
United_States
6822
Rep
1,611
Posts

Drives: M2C & Boeing's light twin
Join Date: Dec 2019
Location: Littleton (Denver), CO

iTrader: (1)

Quote:
Originally Posted by ashmostro View Post
Pressure is good. Could use more camber but that won't be what is causing the fading at the end of the session. You're probably driving past the capabilities of the tires. Might be a good to try out the 71's
The -2.5 camber's a compromise for something that works for street/track without adjustment.
__________________
Current: M2C, Miata RF-GT, RDX & Element // R1200GS & VRSCF
Previous: M3, Focus ZX3-S2, Superchaged Solara, Samurai, Integra, Pinto & RX-4 // VRSCR, R6S, FZ1 & FZ600
Appreciate 0
      05-01-2023, 09:27 AM   #18
ashmostro
Brigadier General
United_States
1254
Rep
4,088
Posts

Drives: 2020 M4cs | 2022 M550i
Join Date: Jan 2013
Location: Falls Church, VA

iTrader: (27)

Yeah. I run 2.9 comfortably on a dual purpose car but it's all about driving style on the street to split that hair.

Let us know what you decide and how it goes!
Appreciate 0
      05-05-2023, 12:05 PM   #19
medphysdave
Brigadier General
medphysdave's Avatar
United_States
4558
Rep
4,672
Posts

Drives: M2 CS | 85 of 592
Join Date: Apr 2015
Location: Charlotte, NC

iTrader: (3)

This could soon be another option coming to a Costco near you.

https://www.thedrive.com/guides-and-...nce-track-tire
Appreciate 0
      05-05-2023, 05:51 PM   #20
M2guru
Lieutenant
384
Rep
573
Posts

Drives: 2018 M2
Join Date: May 2017
Location: St. Paul MN

iTrader: (2)

Garage List
2018 BMW M2  [10.00]
I am here to add to the information to help people make a decision.

Starting point: RE71RS (275/35-18) - brand new - zero miles. Square 9.5 Apex rims.

Below are the pics from the outside/left (clockwise) tires (F and R) after two days of track driving and street driving to/from the track (250 mile round trip). Advanced/Instructor group. Example video of session (yes, that's snow):


- ~50 laps (~1:50/lap, 2.5 miles)
- ambient temps were 32-42F
- tire pressures were at 36-38 hot
- front has -3.1 camber and rear has -2.0 camber (not adjusted for the street)
Attached Images
  

Last edited by M2guru; 05-05-2023 at 06:04 PM..
Appreciate 0
      05-05-2023, 06:05 PM   #21
medphysdave
Brigadier General
medphysdave's Avatar
United_States
4558
Rep
4,672
Posts

Drives: M2 CS | 85 of 592
Join Date: Apr 2015
Location: Charlotte, NC

iTrader: (3)

Those look pretty good to me. Temps look like they stayed cool. How did you like them?
Appreciate 0
      05-05-2023, 07:14 PM   #22
smmmurf
Colonel
309
Rep
2,189
Posts

Drives: E92 M3 DCT 353k+ miles
Join Date: Feb 2008
Location: Half Moon Bay, CA

iTrader: (7)

Quote:
Originally Posted by medphysdave View Post
Those look pretty good to me. Temps look like they stayed cool. How did you like them?
Agreed, the wear looks good for 50 laps. The car looks like it could use more front negative camber.

These worked well with 3 degrees of static negative camber on my S2000 but that chassis utilizes a double wishbone setup which gains far more negative camber under load.

BMW's need more than 3 degrees to optimize the contact patch of these very sticky tires. You'll need a pyrometer to determine what is optimal. However, this wear is not bad at all for an alignment that also works on the street.
Appreciate 0
Post Reply

Bookmarks


Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is Off



All times are GMT -5. The time now is 01:59 AM.




m2
Powered by vBulletin® Version 3.8.11
Copyright ©2000 - 2024, vBulletin Solutions Inc.
1Addicts.com, BIMMERPOST.com, E90Post.com, F30Post.com, M3Post.com, ZPost.com, 5Post.com, 6Post.com, 7Post.com, XBimmers.com logo and trademark are properties of BIMMERPOST