BMW M2 Competition: production, order dates, engine specs & more (pre-launch info)

tke743 · 11-15-2017, 11:59 AM

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Originally Posted by Gatte

What's interesting is that, people who worked on actually building these cars still think it was the CS and not the competition. Maybe there are 2 cars which might both be released at the same time or maybe BMW just decided on waiting longer since the base M2 is doing alright against the newer competition.

What major shows are scheduled till mid December and in January 2018 ??

Now you're killing us. BTW, Detroit is in Jan.

Gatte · 11-15-2017, 12:43 PM

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Originally Posted by tke743

Now you're killing us. BTW, Detroit is in Jan.

I am just as confused as you are.

Trying to get more information. More concrete information.

Artemis · 11-15-2017, 01:22 PM

Three USA-spec M2 Competition cars were built yesterday: 1 Sunset Orange and 2 Hockenheim Silver Metallic. All three M-DCT.

Source: public BMW VIN decoder + thread:
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hellrotm · 11-15-2017, 01:39 PM

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Originally Posted by Artemis

Three USA-spec M2 Competition cars were built yesterday: 1 Sunset Orange and 2 Hockenheim Silver Metallic. All three M-DCT.

Source: public BMW VIN decoder + thread:
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What is option code 4MC - Interior Trim Finishers Carbon Fibre? Different from the current open pore carbon fiber?

Gatte · 11-15-2017, 03:38 PM

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Originally Posted by Artemis

Three USA-spec M2 Competition cars were built yesterday: 1 Sunset Orange and 2 Hockenheim Silver Metallic. All three M-DCT.

Source: public BMW VIN decoder + thread:
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These say they were built at Leipzig. Could these be actual production spec. cars for the official unveil.

GimmeanM · 11-15-2017, 03:43 PM

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Originally Posted by BlackJetE90

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Originally Posted by Artemis

Three USA-spec M2 Competition cars were built yesterday: 1 Sunset Orange and 2 Hockenheim Silver Metallic. All three M-DCT.

Source: public BMW VIN decoder + thread:
Attachment 1722054

What is option code 4MC - Interior Trim Finishers Carbon Fibre? Different from the current open pore carbon fiber?

You mean 'burnt wicker' trim

...saw somebody else post that. Cracked me up.

as7920 · 11-15-2017, 04:12 PM

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Originally Posted by Artemis

Three USA-spec M2 Competition cars were built yesterday: 1 Sunset Orange and 2 Hockenheim Silver Metallic. All three M-DCT.

Source: public BMW VIN decoder + thread:
Attachment 1722054

Any RHD variants been produced yet?

hellrotm · 11-15-2017, 04:59 PM

Vin ending in 8887 has the 788M wheel option. Might get to see those wheels soon if these cars are still test mules.

Artemis · 11-15-2017, 05:19 PM

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Originally Posted by as7920

Any RHD variants been produced yet?

Artemis · 11-15-2017, 06:28 PM

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Originally Posted by BlackJetE90

Vin ending in 8887 has the 788M wheel option. Might get to see those wheels soon if these cars are still test mules.

See post #1204 of the sister thread.

infinitekidM2C · 11-15-2017, 06:46 PM

are we all sure that manual is going to be an option on the m2 comp?

akkando · 11-15-2017, 07:17 PM

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Originally Posted by infinitekid2002

are we all sure that manual is going to be an option on the m2 comp?

I think we are 99% sure at this point.

stefan · 11-15-2017, 07:22 PM

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Originally Posted by akkando

I think we are 99% sure at this point.

Would not score that high. Remember that there were test mules of the M4 CS that supposedly had manuals. While I have no doubt it was tested, I never underestimate BMW's marketing team in their ability to screw over manual drivers.

But if any model were to get it, it would be the M2 in North America.

as7920 · 11-15-2017, 07:31 PM

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Originally Posted by Artemis

Thx. VINs as yet?

akkando · 11-15-2017, 07:34 PM

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Originally Posted by stefan

Would not score that high. Remember that there were test mules of the M4 CS that supposedly had manuals. While I have no doubt it was tested, I never underestimate BMW's marketing team in their ability to screw over manual drivers.

But if any model were to get it, it would be the M2 in North America.

I mean yea the take rate for manual is higher on M2 than M4 AND this isn't a special CS model this is the new BASE model.

Artemis · 11-15-2017, 08:46 PM

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Originally Posted by infinitekid2002

are we all sure that manual is going to be an option on the m2 comp?

Pattern: manual standard and M-DCT optional.

Two aces.

//M · 11-15-2017, 10:10 PM

I think people overthink sometimes.

BMW has said for years manuals in M cars will be dictated by take rates. Manual takerate in the US for the M2 has been 54%. Competition is getting a manual, Artemis also confirmed it above but still this was pretty obvious.

No way the M2 comp is coming up to M3 base price level, BMW has made it pretty clear by not offering adaptive suspension on the comp (None of the prepro mules have it). And leaving us with the basic interior leather it seems and no carbon cermanic's. They are still spacing it from the M3/M4 which means it will come in at the most 61k base price, the only thing I'm curious about is how much they are going to charge us for the brakes and seats.

Also I think they want to retire the N55 due to emissions and maybe something to do with the reason the M3/4 lost it Carbon driveshaft, BMW needs to add a particulate filter to the exhaust on cars moving forward for EU regs. So maybe they didn't want to spend the money developing a filter to work on the last reminant of their last generation engine architecture. Just a random thought.

stefan · 11-15-2017, 10:27 PM

Sure but manual take rates on M4 are still what, 34% in NA? No manual M4 CS or M3 CS. Manual rates were relatively high on the E46 CSL. No manual CSL. I fear marketing has a role to play here around acceleration times etc.

However I am ready to be pleasantly surprised. That said... what the M2 has taught me is that BMW can be pretty mysterious with their M motors. From my perspective, the N55 in the M2 feels pretty darn special, having bashed it myself for years. So it will be interesting to see what the S55 does and even more interesting to see if the B58Tu modified or S58 makes its way in.

As for N55 retirement of course they want to do this but I doubt it's for emissions reasons. So many motors have been around for multiple emissions rule changes. Take the EJ257 for example. It isn't particularly difficult to keep up. I think the real reason is it was a compromised motor from day 1 and simply doesn't meet BMWs expectations. B58 much more scaleable (up and down, as we've already seen with new 35i and 40i and M40i) with better cooling.

tke743 · 11-16-2017, 12:09 AM

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Originally Posted by GimmeanM

You mean 'burnt wicker' trim

...saw somebody else post that. Cracked me up.

Yep, that's me. Tell me I'm wrong?

hellrotm · 11-16-2017, 01:37 AM

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Originally Posted by infinitekid2002

are we all sure that manual is going to be an option on the m2 comp?

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Originally Posted by akkando

I think we are 99% sure at this point.

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Originally Posted by stefan

Would not score that high. Remember that there were test mules of the M4 CS that supposedly had manuals. While I have no doubt it was tested, I never underestimate BMW's marketing team in their ability to screw over manual drivers.

But if any model were to get it, it would be the M2 in North America.

If you look up the VIN numbers, (2MK)M DCT is listed under “options” section.

If you look up a VIN for a DCT only car, for instance the M4 GTS. (2MK)M DCT is list under “standard” section.

I would definitely say manual transmission will be standard equipment, like the current M2.

bogeyman · 11-16-2017, 02:52 AM

Sounds good to me

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Originally Posted by ynguldyn

M2 CSL is a real thing.

Artemis · 11-16-2017, 04:38 AM

Yet another USA-spec M2 Competition logged since a few weeks got built (Nov 15, 2017).

Still one scheduled (source: public BMW VIN decoder + thread).

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//M Lieutenant 243 Rep 497 Posts Drives: M2 Comp Join Date: Aug 2014 Location: Northeast iTrader: (0)	I think people overthink sometimes. BMW has said for years manuals in M cars will be dictated by take rates. Manual takerate in the US for the M2 has been 54%. Competition is getting a manual, Artemis also confirmed it above but still this was pretty obvious. No way the M2 comp is coming up to M3 base price level, BMW has made it pretty clear by not offering adaptive suspension on the comp (None of the prepro mules have it). And leaving us with the basic interior leather it seems and no carbon cermanic's. They are still spacing it from the M3/M4 which means it will come in at the most 61k base price, the only thing I'm curious about is how much they are going to charge us for the brakes and seats. Also I think they want to retire the N55 due to emissions and maybe something to do with the reason the M3/4 lost it Carbon driveshaft, BMW needs to add a particulate filter to the exhaust on cars moving forward for EU regs. So maybe they didn't want to spend the money developing a filter to work on the last reminant of their last generation engine architecture. Just a random thought.
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stefan Brigadier General 2354 Rep 4,254 Posts Drives: M2 Comp Join Date: Feb 2008 Location: North iTrader: (2)	Sure but manual take rates on M4 are still what, 34% in NA? No manual M4 CS or M3 CS. Manual rates were relatively high on the E46 CSL. No manual CSL. I fear marketing has a role to play here around acceleration times etc. However I am ready to be pleasantly surprised. That said... what the M2 has taught me is that BMW can be pretty mysterious with their M motors. From my perspective, the N55 in the M2 feels pretty darn special, having bashed it myself for years. So it will be interesting to see what the S55 does and even more interesting to see if the B58Tu modified or S58 makes its way in. As for N55 retirement of course they want to do this but I doubt it's for emissions reasons. So many motors have been around for multiple emissions rule changes. Take the EJ257 for example. It isn't particularly difficult to keep up. I think the real reason is it was a compromised motor from day 1 and simply doesn't meet BMWs expectations. B58 much more scaleable (up and down, as we've already seen with new 35i and 40i and M40i) with better cooling. __________________ ///M Power
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