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Some are trying to, and a few (at least) are succeeding. You won't beat that price or value - assume you can get the military discount? Think you should..
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I'm glad to see the dealerships trying to take advantage of customers aren't being rewarded. There are a lot of really good honest dealerships out there and BMW should support them.
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I'm not sure. The only guideline that I'm aware of pertains to the financial statements and a monitoring of the gross profit percentage within the model line. The CS goes the same line as the M2C, so it might make that parameter more difficult to gauge. In all likelihood BMWNA is more apt to be upset with those dealers that gave away their only allocation as it seems it was their intention to have all stores receive at least one...ya know, for ///Marketing purposes
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So true. For an easy example, check Rennlist for all of the endless threads of enthusiasts complaining about how high-volume stealerships are favored by PAG.
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Reading through, there is a very odd viewpoint on a $5k saving. Yes, a set of wheels or a nice vacation with the wife. Frame it differently. Your buying a $92k car that is $100k with tax. If you're worried about the $5k, you should save your money and buy a m2c for $65k. Sure, I wouldn't leave a $5k tip at a restaurant to throw money away, but you have adequate capacity or you weren't going to buy a $100k car. Plus or minus $5k is largely irrelevant to the buying decision. So, if you're in the market to buy one, don't sweat the details and enjoy it!
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It's about 'over-overpriced' versus 'already questionably steep'. Why ? Because it's about the value of the goods put up for sale, with MSRP as the semi-objective highest reference point for all cars involved (say, the tipping point of 'enough') and not about the financial resources/capacity of a customer. It's about the real estate sales pitch: "You're a billionaire, so hey, what's a couple of million more to line my pockets for this beautiful house ?". It's about walking into a bar and hearing: "A markup for your beer, you rich-a$$ buddy, because you can swing it" and subsequently getting blamed for being greedy because, as a matter of principle, you refuse to order and leave. Bottom-line: do not shift the greed blame to the buyer. It's the seller who's scrupulously greedy here when selling an M2 CS over sticker, not the (wealthy) buyer who refuses to play that rip-off game imposed by the sharks (cf. 'stealerships'). And please don't start me about supply & demand about a commodity when making the financial position of a customer part of the equation. To each his own, but IMHO it's about the decency of valuing good manners. Regardless whether it's house, a car, a kitchen or even a coffee or a simple pair of socks.
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I work hard for my money and like to keep as much of it in my pocket as I can rather than having to "give it away" just because somebody asked for it. Being able to afford something pricey having worked hard for it shouldn't warrant being ripped off just because you can afford it. Most folks aren't born into wealth, they work long and hard getting there; Afterall, Steve Jobs was the son of a Syrian migrant and started from humble beginnings as did Elon Musk and thousands more like them.
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I never get upset about pricing. At the end of any negotiation, the other party's final price either works for me or it doesn't. When I was initially shopping around for a CS, the first set of dealerships insisted on an ADM. I didn't want to pay more than MSRP, so I thanked them for their time and moved onto the next. It's very helpful going in to any consumption proposition to know what your ceiling is and simply stick to it. Sports cars are purely luxury items, so it's not like any of us need them. If the price doesn't work for you, either because you can't afford it or just don't think it's fair, it's best to just politely pass and move on. |
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I get both sides, and it's all relative to whatever you value and what matters to you. I buy many of my tools from Harbor Freight because they are so much cheaper and good enough for what I need or for one off use. I do the work on my cars because I enjoy it and I can't stomach paying the dealer or a shop hundreds of dollars for something that I can do in a couple hours for thirty bucks in parts (oil filter housing gasket for example). I don't buy expensive clothes or shoes because I just don't see the value. On the flip side it gives me the luxury of occasionally not worrying about being flippant about cost for something like the CS, or dumping extra into the floor of my garage so it looked nicer (that cost more than 5k alone) etc. We each make different value calculations every day.
You don't get wealthy by spending every penny you earn, but you also don't enjoy your own success by never leveraging its advantages. That looks different for every person. You do you, and I'll cheer you on either way.
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I also looked at it this way, personally. The car was perfect for me after a lot of shopping, and really nothing else was even close, even the M2C. Again, a "just me" thing. The fact that there were 2 deposits after me at my dealership, and I'd been declined on even depositing at 2 other dealerships told me that it'd be pretty tough in my region to get an allocation at the time. The stress of trying to chase out an allocation somewhere else in the country, find a car spec'ed the way I'd want to, deal with a dealer I didn't know, ship a car, do financing/transfer over the phone etc. All things I've done at different times in life. Just weren't worth a theoretical savings that I wasn't sure would even exist. I was buying the luxury of putting in a deposit, and then walking in later and signing and driving and having zero stress in the transaction. Worth it to me, senseless to others . Maybe in between to you.
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BMW Peoria has a Hock Silver, 6-MT, Steel brakes, black wheels with super sports on the Lot.
However, they are asking for $10K markup because "only 400 were made". Just talked to the SA. Just sharing. There are better deals around folks. (no i am not a dealer) |
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I like to hear the value of my car is going up I'd also say that the ADM now is one thing, but when all the allocations are gone, that's when the real premiums will come out. Unless demand is more or less filled by the planned production, which is also possible. I think it's probably challenging to imagine the car at a much higher price than sticker. It's just so expensive for what it is. |
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