[bimmerjph]

Originally Posted by SCOTT26

Short Shifter - Manual available.

Hmm... Not solely having a manual means the bean counters had a lot more to do with this car than they did with the 1M. Not a good sign for the overall character of the car.

[KevinM]

Originally Posted by bimmerjph

Hmm... Not solely having a manual means the bean counters had a lot more to do with this car than they did with the 1M. Not a good sign for the overall character of the car.

I don't think so. The 1M was a limited production car; BMW could afford to produce the car as manual only. All M cars from now on will be offered with DCT...I'm just happy that (for now) M is offering manuals at all! Offering the DCT is just a reality for the car to succeed...and I WANT it to succeed and I want M to build more cars like it. Don't get me wrong, I will buy manuals until I cannot and i love that my E39 M5 and Z4 M coupe were only offered with manuals. BMW, and BMW M in the end is a business and needs to be profitable to succeed. I hope they can while still offering a small segment of their customers what I am looking for!

[GuidoDoc]

Originally Posted by Vintage

I do not give a rat's ass about bespoked motors, exclusivity crap, 0-60 times, or pure hp/tq numbers as they are not important to me - I want a smaller, lighter M, that hauls ass and handles like a curvy lady named Sofia in the sack after a few shots of tequila! I will then seek out the long way home all of the damn time. So what that some will say it is "cheaper to produce," not "special", blah blah blah. I am [in a midlife crisis] and have owned many BMWs ...[modded e30] I should have never sold ... a ED M2 is in my near future!

What he said with a few variations. See you in Europe 2017!

[w3rkn]

All we need to know is it lighter than a 1-series... lighter than a 1M ..?

[bradleyland]

Originally Posted by bimmerjph

Hmm... Not solely having a manual means the bean counters had a lot more to do with this car than they did with the 1M. Not a good sign for the overall character of the car.

Eye-rolled so hard I nearly fell out of my chair... because obviously you're not a true Scotsman... I mean enthusiast if you don't want a manual.

[bimmerjph]

Originally Posted by bradleyland

Eye-rolled so hard I nearly fell out of my chair... because obviously you're not a true Scotsman... I mean enthusiast if you don't want a manual.

I could make a case for it.

[ORIGIN M.]

Originally Posted by bimmerjph

Hmm... Not solely having a manual means the bean counters had a lot more to do with this car than they did with the 1M. Not a good sign for the overall character of the car.

Just because you see it that way, does not make it so.

To each their own.

[five3three]

Originally Posted by bimmerjph

Hmm... Not solely having a manual means the bean counters had a lot more to do with this car than they did with the 1M. Not a good sign for the overall character of the car.

They want the car to be profitable so they will put more r&d into it to make it a better car. Thats how i see it. Of course it needs to be offered in more than a manual to make it worth their time and money. I would never buy a manual with the daily traffic I have to sit in but I will happily buy it with a dct.

[ewohar]

Why wouldn't they go with a twin turbo setup? Two smaller turbos would spin up quicker wouldn't they?

[ORIGIN M.]

Originally Posted by ewohar

Why wouldn't they go with a twin turbo setup? Two smaller turbos would spin up quicker wouldn't they?

I'd not rule it out yet, because It sounds like it has a twin turbo setup.

[DieGrüneHölle]

Originally Posted by bimmerjph

Hmm... Not solely having a manual means the bean counters had a lot more to do with this car than they did with the 1M. Not a good sign for the overall character of the car.

I liked the 1M and Z4M being solely manual. Kept the posers away. Same thing for the GT3. But now the new GT3 gets only dual clutch, kinda ruins it.

[BMW269]

Originally Posted by Vintage

which brings me to 3) I do not give a rat's ass about bespoked motors, exclusivity crap, 0-60 times, or pure hp/tq numbers as they are not important to me - I want a smaller, lighter M, that hauls ass and handles like a curvy lady named Sofia in the sack after a few shots of tequila! I will then seek out the long way home all of the damn time. So what that some will say it is "cheaper to produce," not "special", blah blah blah.

That is the M235i, all you need.

[Vintage]

Originally Posted by Levi

That is the M235i, all you need.

good point - MT? or 8sp? normally I would go MT but that 8sp is a marvel

[twin fed]

Originally Posted by Levi

That is the M235i, all you need.

Still not quite the same as a M2

[BMW269]

Originally Posted by twin fed

Still not quite the same as a M2

Still quite the same. Would be only different if M2 had S55 making 420 PS and weighed 1400 kg (DIN).

[DVC]

Originally Posted by Levi

Still quite the same. Would be only different if M2 had S55 making 420 PS and weighed 1400 kg (DIN).

Count me in the camp who thinks the M2 does not need to have an S55 and weigh 1400kg (3086lbs) in order to be substantially different than an M235, and an otherwise great car. It will certainly not be under 3100lbs, and it seems clear that the S55 has been ruled out, so let's be realistic...

[david.orr]

I'm with you DVC.
Try telling the market that the retuned N54 1M is not a M car....

[BMW269]

Originally Posted by jaffa12

I'm with you DVC.
Try telling the market that the retuned N54 1M is not a M car....

Try telling the market that an X5 M50d is not a M car...

[Vintage]

if only we could buy the X5 M50d in the US! sure, we make it here but can't buy it! awesome kid hauler

[momo3605]

Originally Posted by Levi

Still quite the same. Would be only different if M2 had S55 making 420 PS and weighed 1400 kg (DIN).

The biggest difference will be the handling. Power and weight are just parts of the equation. The biggest is handling. The M suspension will be stiffer, wider, and more track-ready than the M235i which still has a comfort-oriented suspension with too much body roll. It would also have an M-LSD from the factory

[momo3605]

Originally Posted by Levi

Still quite the same. Would be only different if M2 had S55 making 420 PS and weighed 1400 kg (DIN).

The biggest difference will be the handling. Power and weight are just parts of the equation. The biggest is handling. The M suspension will be stiffer, wider, and more track-ready than the M235i which still has a comfort-oriented suspension with too much body roll. It would also have an M-LSD from the factory

[chris82]

What you're going to get from the M2 is this:

The tuned N55
Wider/bigger wheels/tires
bigger brakes
exterior body mods
louder exhaust
LSD
some cool interior trim like the 1M had
different suspension meaning all that stuff like control arms, dampers, springs, stiffer bushings, upgraded sways etc.
sunroof delete will be standard

Wish list:
a carbon fiber roof
seats similar to M3

What won't happen:
weight stripping; that is just a ludicrous and overly optimistic expectation