[m2ss]

Originally Posted by NPTM

This is peak M in my book and always was a forever car…love it wayy too much to not give this my all!

Look, if the roof dissolves over time at least you'll get your convertible...

[thrilla]

I highly doubt it’s a structural defect. If it was, BMW would’ve already stepped up if it is a safety issue or has the potential to be a safety issue. Their stance on this makes me believe it’s cosmetic.

[NPTM]

Originally Posted by thrilla

I highly doubt it’s a structural defect. If it was, BMW would’ve already stepped up if it is a safety issue or has the potential to be a safety issue. Their stance on this makes me believe it’s cosmetic.

Interesting take…makes me hopeful. Also explains why they were so quick to swap the guys roof who had that “bubble” form…that was 100% structural and they knocked that one out no problem. A “foggy” appearance, much less likely, I agree. And I’ve seen plenty of E9X roofs go from delaminated and brutally ugly to perfect without too much expense so I know a fix for many cosmetic issues is possible. Will keep poking around, thanks guys!

[CSBM5]

Originally Posted by David1

I can't believe the cost of the OEM panel! The pressed carbon one on the GR Yaris is almost 15k. You guys could do the RKP CF roof (better looking styling wise to me anyways) on the car that IND sells and installs. I am thinking about doing my comp with it. They said it takes about 8-10 hours start to finish. The hardest part is taking the glass out and they have a cool way of doing that. It is not a structural member. I could do the swap myself and sublet the glass work. I can have the headliner ready to come out in less than 2 hours..It is no different than fixing any other roof.

BMWNA has massively inflated the price of the CS roof panel in the past 3 years. Just three years ago the BMWNA MSRP was $4995.69. Now? $25,384.33. It is the single largest percentage increase in a part price I've ever seen from BMWNA, and I've been buying parts from them since the 70s.

[m2ss]

Originally Posted by CSBM5

BMWNA has massively inflated the price of the CS roof panel in the past 3 years. Just three years ago the BMWNA MSRP was $4995.69. Now? $25,384.33. It is the single largest percentage increase in a part price I've ever seen from BMWNA, and I've been buying parts from them since the 70s.

I'm shocked...simply shocked.

[///MPhatic]

Originally Posted by CSBM5

BMWNA has massively inflated the price of the CS roof panel in the past 3 years. Just three years ago the BMWNA MSRP was $4995.69. Now? $25,384.33. It is the single largest percentage increase in a part price I've ever seen from BMWNA, and I've been buying parts from them since the 70s.

Originally Posted by m2ss

I'm shocked...simply shocked.

The price is purposely inflated well beyond the value to keep the special edition parts on special edition cars only (check the price of the carbon hood, or G-series carbon seats). It's a common practice across all manufacturers, and actually helps the brand for those able to obtain the cars they were originally fitted to, or the unicorn pieces later on. In this particular case I'm sure the price also reflects BMW's unwillingness to deal with the inherent issues that the buyer will inevitably have, so the part is priced to the level of insanity.

[TrojanForce]

Originally Posted by CSBM5

One potentially ideal situation would be to obtain the replacement roof and store it long term. I was thinking that negotiating to buy it from BMWNA for a price at or below dealer cost might make the thought of holding it long term plausible...until I looked up the part number of the roof that is! 41-31-8-081-169 has a BMWNA MSRP of...get this... $25,384.33.

It makes no sense really since the F82 M4/M4 CS/M4 GTS carbon roof has a BMWNA MSRP of $6,626.53. Dealer cost on that is around $4k, so my thought might have worked if they didn't have an insanely stupid price on the F87 roof panel. FWIW, the F80 M3 carbon roof is the same price as the M4 roof.

Im having the same issue going through dealer at the moment. I asked the body shop what it would cost out of warranty to replace the CS roof and he said about 10k Aussie dollars roughly, so about 7k usd. I'm not sure what that part number is thats charging 25k usd or if thats retail price? That price doesn't make any sense at all as its a 7kg piece of carbon fiber.

[bruiser135msport]

Originally Posted by TrojanForce

Im having the same issue going through dealer at the moment. I asked the body shop what it would cost out of warranty to replace the CS roof and he said about 10k Aussie dollars roughly, so about 7k usd. I'm not sure what that part number is thats charging 25k usd or if thats retail price? That price doesn't make any sense at all as its a 7kg piece of carbon fiber.

Hi
You do realise that Australian Consumer Law now covers items out of a Car Manufacturing Warranty .

Simply put a vehicle outside of the old 3 year warranty is covered by Australian Consumer for items such as this .

BMW Australia cannot deny an item such as the Carbon Fibre Roof if it has failed or was not of “merchantable quality” .

You have to “claim” using those words or similar.

There is a timeline here of “diminishing returns” but a 3 year old Bmw M2 Cs with a retail price of over $165k AUD will still be covered (by the new Australian consumer law).

You have to go to a BMW Dealer and Contact BMW Australia and make that formal “claim”.


Example in point :

I recently had a $6k AUD Large LG Double French Door fridge with an electric fan motor fault (out of warranty) .
I rang LG Australia and quoted those exact words and repair was conducted free of charge etc .

Cheers
Bruiser

[CSBM5]

Originally Posted by TrojanForce

Im having the same issue going through dealer at the moment. I asked the body shop what it would cost out of warranty to replace the CS roof and he said about 10k Aussie dollars roughly, so about 7k usd. I'm not sure what that part number is thats charging 25k usd or if thats retail price? That price doesn't make any sense at all as its a 7kg piece of carbon fiber.

I just plugged the part number into a BMW dealer's online site: https://www.bmwminipartssolutions.co...10-41318081169 -- shows that the BMWNA MSRP is now $25,384. Here's another BMW dealer showing the same MSRP: https://www.getbmwparts.com/oem-part...10-41318081169.

Did you get that quote recently? Since as I mentioned in a prior post, BMW has quintupled the MSRP for the CS roof in the past couple of years, literally.

[TrojanForce]

Originally Posted by CSBM5

I just plugged the part number into a BMW dealer's online site: https://www.bmwminipartssolutions.co...10-41318081169 -- shows that the BMWNA MSRP is now $25,384. Here's another BMW dealer showing the same MSRP: https://www.getbmwparts.com/oem-part...10-41318081169.

Did you get that quote recently? Since as I mentioned in a prior post, BMW has quintupled the MSRP for the CS roof in the past couple of years, literally.

Was quoted that last week.

[TrojanForce]

Originally Posted by bruiser135msport

Hi
You do realise that Australian Consumer Law now covers items out of a Car Manufacturing Warranty .

Simply put a vehicle outside of the old 3 year warranty is covered by Australian Consumer for items such as this .

BMW Australia cannot deny an item such as the Carbon Fibre Roof if it has failed or was not of “merchantable quality” .

You have to “claim” using those words or similar.

There is a timeline here of “diminishing returns” but a 3 year old Bmw M2 Cs with a retail price of over $165k AUD will still be covered (by the new Australian consumer law).

You have to go to a BMW Dealer and Contact BMW Australia and make that formal “claim”.


Example in point :

I recently had a $6k AUD Large LG Double French Door fridge with an electric fan motor fault (out of warranty) .
I rang LG Australia and quoted those exact words and repair was conducted free of charge etc .

Cheers
Bruiser

BMW will be wearing the cost no doubt. I'll take it up with fair trading if they try and get funny with it.

[CSBM5]

Originally Posted by TrojanForce

Was quoted that last week.

I would wager they are not quoting a new from BMW official carbon roof for the CS...unless prices are 4-5 x greater for the North American market which I doubt. It should be easy to run the part number through a local dealer to find out though.

[TrojanForce]

Originally Posted by CSBM5

I would wager they are not quoting a new from BMW official carbon roof for the CS...unless prices are 4-5 x greater for the North American market which I doubt. It should be easy to run the part number through a local dealer to find out though.

I thought a genuine BMW repair shop would only use genuine parts?
This repair shop is owned and run by the local BMW dealership and on the BMW Australia website it mentions they are a BMW genuine repair shop.

[CSBM5]

Originally Posted by TrojanForce

I thought a genuine BMW repair shop would only use genuine parts?
This repair shop is owned and run by the local BMW dealership and on the BMW Australia website it mentions they are a BMW genuine repair shop.

No clue on the situation there. The BMW list price in Europe for the CS roof looks to be in the range of 15,000 Euros without VAT.

If you really can buy the CS carbon roof panel in the range of $5-6k US, it's a heck of a deal here and in the EU!

[TrojanForce]

Originally Posted by CSBM5

No clue on the situation there. The BMW list price in Europe for the CS roof looks to be in the range of 15,000 Euros without VAT.

I did see that as well.

Once I deal with him again I'll double check and grab the part number.

[m2ss]

I wonder if there's anyone here who owns a CS without this issue?

[NPTM]

Originally Posted by m2ss

I wonder if there's anyone here who owns a CS without this issue?

Of course - I actually assume most don’t. It’s just for the folks who do have the issue, it’s obviously anxiety provoking thus making people really vocal here. And the folks who DONT have it are worried they may potentially over time. And this is all the result of the heavy MSRP and very involved install process.

E9X guys aren’t too worried about delamination on their roofs - no huge deal to repair…this is different.

But again, at risk of sounding like a broken record…we still don’t know for sure what this is, and it may legit just be a minor cosmetic issue that I can easily fix down the road by just removing the clear and refinishing. It’s the lack of answers that makes this more complicated.

[NYNick]

I have yet to see this issue on my car. I live in the NE.

[SilverM2_CS]

Nothing on my car either. Mine is one of the last few off of the line in 2021. (1/5/2021 prod date). Not sure if the roof batches were all the same or not.

[M2CSDaily]

Would be good to know production dates of cars with the roof issue. My car is a very late 2020 build and no issues with the roof appearance

[lovem2cs]

My deal and BMW Canada asked a reputable local body shop to inspect my CF roof. Afterwards, they said they'd replace it. That was like 4-5 months ago. I have not been updated on any progress, except I bump into the service manager at the dealer while my another vehicle was serviced there. He told me that he just called BMW Canada to check the progress and they are waiting for parts. I hope that is true. Haha. That was a month ago. To be honest, if the replacement job affect the structure of my M2CS, I'd rather it continue that way and I can keep driving my car until the discolouring becomes worse.

[chris719]

Originally Posted by lovem2cs

My deal and BMW Canada asked a reputable local body shop to inspect my CF roof. Afterwards, they said they'd replace it. That was like 4-5 months ago. I have not been updated on any progress, except I bump into the service manager at the dealer while my another vehicle was serviced there. He told me that he just called BMW Canada to check the progress and they are waiting for parts. I hope that is true. Haha. That was a month ago. To be honest, if the replacement job affect the structure of my M2CS, I'd rather it continue that way and I can keep driving my car until the discolouring becomes worse.

I would try to understand if the replacement roof is from the same original lot of roofs. I don't see the point of replacing a roof for another that will do the same thing. You may never get a straight answer.