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I wouldn't necessarily call it a bargain, but I do find it difficult to find something else that will likely be as satisfying. I'm also in the C8 cross shop camp. Those that actually have a high hp modern sports car also know how hard they have to be pushed to get to the fun threshold. I want a car that starts to " feel alive" at a lower threshold. Yes, there are some weak points to the CS, yes, some of the carbon bits unnecessarily jack up the price. Yes, I think your paying about $6k for the right to say you own a CS. But it was also able to perform astoundingly well against purposely built two seat sports cars. If folks are cross shopping 2 seaters with 4 seaters, then your priorities aren't yet sorted. As some have suggested that they have a M2 for DD and GT4 for fun. Those that want to mod an M2C to outperform the CS. Well, you still just have a modded m2C at the end of the day that will also take a hit on resale. Either way you have to pay to play. I'm still in, but its not a sweet deal. Anyone that can talk a dealership onto euro delivery with euro pricing would be doing well.
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So, BMW did not learn from the M3/M4 CS mistake. These cars sat at dealers lots for long and in order to move them, some were offering $25K off, not good. My guessing it will be same for this car not saying it's a bad ride, but come on 40% over M2C
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11-23-2019, 07:39 AM | #72 |
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When I could have purchased a new M3CS for $88 this seems crazy. or a used M3CS below $70k... Not sure why unless its a beast to drive.
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I don't think it will be that bad since at $83K, the M2 CS is $15K less than a M3 CS MSRP. Plus M2 has always been regarded as the popular M.
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11-23-2019, 08:19 AM | #75 |
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Way too much for a car which in the end is not that fast. I’d take a C8 any day. Or a C7 Grand Sport or even a GT350 and put $20k into it in mods. Still a better value than a M2 CS.
Can you tell I’m not a BMW fan boy? I like speed, handling, and sound. And at $85k 2 out of 3 is not good enough. |
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11-23-2019, 08:33 AM | #76 |
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As an MSRP paying GTS owner I'm obviously wary on purchasing this CS given that my GTS is now worth only about half of what I paid. My biggest (and only) gripe about the GTS is it's lack of a third pedal. However I'm an M3 collector and I wanted to own the best version of every generation imported to the US and the GTS checked that box. I think the availability of a manual is the stand out feature on the M2CS compared to the M4. I will buy one and I will drive it and only hope that my depreciation doesn't tank too much. This car will sell out and only the greediest of dealerships looking for huge markups will be left with any inventory. I think BMW priced this car accordingly given the sum of its parts and limited production. Is it a bargain? No. But it checks enough boxes for me as a fan of the brand.
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11-23-2019, 08:35 AM | #77 |
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I think buyers of this vehicle are not overly concerned with value for money, like it was for the M2C. Keep in mind not saying they're also willing to be gouged.
At this price point, it's about having the options of the M4 in a package of the M2. E.g Merino seats, AS, carbon fiber bits, etc Sure the C8 is a lot more capable for a lot less. But there will be so many of them around, that's not what appeals to me. The GT350 or Shelby GT50" are also great options. But the interior does not appeal to me and not as high quality.
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These are "irrational" purchases in the end. And as such, they're toys for the enthusiasts. Just enjoy it and if it goes up in value, that's just a bonus.
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11-23-2019, 08:43 AM | #79 |
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If I'm informed correctly, BMW got paid for the GTS and CS cars - the dealers paid. But dealers usually learn from what they experience. Apart from some places on the face of the earth known for mark-up frenzy, we can reasonably assume that most dealers will prefer signed M2 CS orders prior to ordering that expensive type of car targeted at a limited audience. I mean, it's quite nice to have a GTS or CS on display in your showroom, but the showroom is not supposed to become a 'museum'.
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11-23-2019, 08:47 AM | #80 |
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There're more than a few ways of looking at the M2 CS' value.
One dimension is to think of it as a short wheel-based M4 ZCP with a more cheaply made cabin, definitely a poor value at 84K. However, if you cost break down the CS treatment, it is actually a good value package to the M2 Competition which is a good value to start with. As we know with the 911, no one loads up an S to be a GTS. It'd only cost a lot more trying and end up a wannabe. Some are concerned the M2 CS is a poor value because of the dealer markup. If that happens, then it's instantly a success. Lastly, the competitions. Why did M4 GTS and M3/4 CS fail? Because they entered the wrong market - the 911 GT3 and GTS territory. The M2 CS does not have such threats, at 84k it's not even the 992 base start money. Who hates the M2 CS? 1) M2C/M2OG owners trying to justify their purchases. 2) The buyers that want to pay less. 3) The buyers that thought/wish they can afford it. Although there is no serious competitions in the market, the market for a sporty 84k 2er isn't that big. But 2200 buyers globally? 84k is not all that big money either.
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And so quite understandably that begs the question whether that 50% price gap is worth its salt: for some it will, for some it won't (especially if you take the artificially generated and actually-not-so-limited exclusivity + manual transmission offering, out of the equation). If only the N55 370hp base M2 had existed right now: yes. But this is not the case: there is the S55 410hp M2 Competition. And that ain't no slouch either. Furthermore, there is market saturation (apart from macro-economics of the worsening car sales market): base M2, M2 LCI and M2C: if the F87 appealed to a potential customer, there is a good chance that he got one, or that (s)he is looking into the option of getting one. Most won't budge because of the M2 CS (for some also because of lease commitments). So don't generalize/stereorype this as 'sour grapes' criticism.
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30 miles from me. https://www.autotrader.com/cars-for-...ckType=listing |
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a 2016 M4 GTS under 3k miles is around 80k... If Considering Nurburgring lap times for a track car it's miles ahead of the M2 CS. |
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If I was looking in this price range, I'd probably be taking a hard look at the Cayman GTS. In Canada it's got almost all the Cayman options (excluding all the cosmetic nonsense that can put you into the stratosphere) and has a nicer interior, gearbox etc. You lose out on the exclusivity factor though.
My usage case is a summer only DD, and a few track days a year. Given the CS is a limited edition I might feel bad about taking it on week long road trips, or thrashing it at the track. I want that splitter and spoiler for my M2C though. I'll keep my armrest and leather wheel that won't look like crap after a few years of skin oils on it. |
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