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      02-25-2020, 02:24 PM   #23
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Is the equal length piping just the backbox exhaust / catback exhaust up till OPF or are you forced to pair it with the mid-pipe?

I'm confused
This one is from the OPF back. (UK car)
Hmm, so the connecting pipes from backbox to opf are made equal length?

Like that's the only big change, no?
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Hmm, so the connecting pipes from backbox to opf are made equal length?

Like that's the only big change, no?
I believe so. It's a bit confusing though. I think the tubing from the primary cats to the OPF (or secondary cats for the US) is untouched, and this EL exhaust starts at that location. What if (here in the US), we want a FULL cat back that removes the secondary cats and factory resonator section?

Does this in turn mean that the EL setup it not compatible with other midpipes on the market? Looking specifically at the AA mid, the connections don't look like they will line up, as it (as well as all the other mid pipe offerings), are well behind the diff.

NOTE: All the above is only speaking on the Milltek system. The AA system has yet to be seen.
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I believe so. It's a bit confusing though. I think the tubing from the primary cats to the OPF (or secondary cats for the US) is untouched, and this EL exhaust starts at that location. What if (here in the US), we want a FULL cat back that removes the secondary cats and factory resonator section?

Does this in turn mean that the EL setup it not compatible with other midpipes on the market? Looking specifically at the AA mid, the connections don't look like they will line up, as it (as well as all the other mid pipe offerings), are well behind the diff.

NOTE: All the above is only speaking on the Milltek system. The AA system has yet to be seen.
The pipes have to be equalized and merged before exiting the muffler - doesn't matter where you do it. Milltek also sell a secondary cat delete pipe, test pipes, you could build an entire system if you want.

Always surprises me that people expect manufacturers to make their systems compatible with other manufacturers mid-pipes. The AA midpipe is made to mate with stock, hence why it will fit other designs. This has never been the case with the Milltek design.

Regardless, I don't know why you would buy any current exhaust systems that don't have EL pipes. Current setups, including the current AA midpipe are obsolete unless you can find a way to equalize the down pipes which isn't possible due to packaging.
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Hmm, so the connecting pipes from backbox to opf are made equal length?

Like that's the only big change, no?
I believe so. It's a bit confusing though. I think the tubing from the primary cats to the OPF (or secondary cats for the US) is untouched, and this EL exhaust starts at that location. What if (here in the US), we want a FULL cat back that removes the secondary cats and factory resonator section?

Does this in turn mean that the EL setup it not compatible with other midpipes on the market? Looking specifically at the AA mid, the connections don't look like they will line up, as it (as well as all the other mid pipe offerings), are well behind the diff.

NOTE: All the above is only speaking on the Milltek system. The AA system has yet to be seen.
I guess first adopters or the manufacturer themselves will tell us/show us shortly

I'm also wondering whether the new setup introduces more drone to the car

I currently am running Remus EC approved backbox with connecting pipes to OPF and while it sounds great from the outside, with ASD off, the inside is a graveyard. But! No drone. And to me drone is a lot worse than a quieter exhaust!

Milltek has great prices though. Exhaust tips aren't as impressive as Remus though. Wish they did an equal length mid pipe. Current AA mid pipe is good but not perfect..
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Regardless, I don't know why you would buy any current exhaust systems that don't have EL pipes. Current setups, including the current AA midpipe are obsolete unless you can find a way to equalize the down pipes which isn't possible due to packaging.
Weight savings, price, no more unique S55 sound. That's 3. I'll likely grab a used UEL setup once everyone else buy the EL systems and sells their old ones. It's not revolutionary or different enough for me to chose it over an UEL setup. The S55 will never sound like the N55, or 2J, or even the B58. The divided manifolds is the true origin of the sound, so it will never be as harmonious as the above 3.
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Weight savings, price, no more unique S55 sound. That's 3. I'll likely grab a used UEL setup once everyone else buy the EL systems and sells their old ones. It's not revolutionary or different enough for me to chose it over an UEL setup. The S55 will never sound like the N55, or 2J, or even the B58. The divided manifolds is the true origin of the sound, so it will never be as harmonious as the above 3.
How can you claim it's not revolutionary or different enough when you have never heard one..
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I guess first adopters or the manufacturer themselves will tell us/show us shortly

I'm also wondering whether the new setup introduces more drone to the car

I currently am running Remus EC approved backbox with connecting pipes to OPF and while it sounds great from the outside, with ASD off, the inside is a graveyard. But! No drone. And to me drone is a lot worse than a quieter exhaust!

Milltek has great prices though. Exhaust tips aren't as impressive as Remus though. Wish they did an equal length mid pipe. Current AA mid pipe is good but not perfect..
The car in the picture I posted is mine - and I can confirm there’s is absolutely no drone or resonance.
I also have ASD bypassed.
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How can you claim it's not revolutionary or different enough when you have never heard one..
I've heard a video of it, both AA and Milltek, that counts for something. It still isn't a GREAT sound, like I said the S55 doesn't sound particularly good in any fashion. I've heard 1 S55 that sounds great, but it's a single turbo, and once again, it was a video. I don't have access to people with M2C's with every exhaust imaginable, nor do most folks, so videos will have to suffice.

It's all opinion anyway. You like it? Cool, buy it. You don't like it? Cool, don't buy it. This is no different than the Subie folks running EL or UEL headers, different strokes for different folks.

I'd rather buy a used UEL setup and some coilovers or wheels for the price of a new system, EL or not. Regardless, I'm still interested to see their "official" video on it, so I can get a better idea for how it sounds, instead of that loud raspy ass M4 on their IG. I'm preparing myself for the marketplace to be flooded with used UEL setups.
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Coming from an N54 single turbo, i do not miss the sound tbh, it sounded awesome ofc but i like the weird exhaust note on my M2 Comp, the loud pops/ crackles and raspiness but hey to each their own.
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Different strokes...I mean exotic super cars don't exactly sound like Detroit V8 muscle cars. They sound, well, exotic 👍 They scream, growl pop and sometimes rasp!
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\/ \/ - For instance, this is an EL M4 setup.



\/ \/ - And here is a GREAT comparison. I honestly can't tell that the 3 setups below are drastically different, even with the potato quality. They all still sound like an S55 to me. The M2C stock setup sounds different than an M3/M4 stock setup anyhow, to me at least.



\/ \/ - And for one more reference, here is the Milltek EL system. Still sounds like a weird inline 6. Once again these are opinions.

https://www.facebook.com/Milltek/vid...8609122806678/
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\/ \/ - For instance, this is an EL M4 setup.



\/ \/ - And here is a GREAT comparison. I honestly can't tell that the 3 setups below are drastically different, even with the potato quality. They all still sound like an S55 to me. The M2C stock setup sounds different than an M3/M4 stock setup anyhow, to me at least.



\/ \/ - And for one more reference, here is the Milltek EL system. Still sounds like a weird inline 6. Once again these are opinions.

https://www.facebook.com/Milltek/vid...8609122806678/
This first video isn't even a proper equal length exhaust. There is a very clear difference in tone, the dueling 3 cylinder sound is gone. If you happen to like that, good for you. Most people don't. Not sure why you are clogging this thread with nonsense if you have no interest in buying one..
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This first video isn't even a proper equal length exhaust. There is a very clear difference in tone, the dueling 3 cylinder sound is gone. If you happen to like that, good for you. Most people don't. Not sure why you are clogging this thread with nonsense if you have no interest in buying one..
If you look back a couple posts, you can clearly see where I say I'm interested to see their official video of it. That will give me, and everyone else, a much better idea of the sound.

The Milltek system "isn't even a proper equal length" either. It's within 3/4" from one another. As I said before, I'm interested to see the AA system, and if it'll be truly equal (within margin of error). So far, the equal length isn't as impressive as I thought.
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Milltek system, sounds super raspy to me. I'd rather go AA mid with stock box. Still waiting for some used UEL setups to pop up.

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Milltek system, sounds super raspy to me. I'd rather go AA mid with stock box. Still waiting for some used UEL setups to pop up.

Yeah if you look at the pics at the end of the video, with the valves open it appears to be almost straight through. Needs resonators in the mid-pipe to clean up the rasp.
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Milltek system, sounds super raspy to me. I'd rather go AA mid with stock box. Still waiting for some used UEL setups to pop up.

Jesus that sounds absolutely awful...

Here's my setup/vid:

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Just picked up a gen 1 F82 AA axleback that I am going to pair with my AA midpipe. Will most likely require a few modifications, but wish me luck.


https://store.activeautowerke.com/co...4-rear-exhaust
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On an M2? That won't be easy.
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Just picked up a gen 1 F82 AA axleback that I am going to pair with my AA midpipe. Will most likely require a few modifications, but wish me luck.


https://store.activeautowerke.com/co...4-rear-exhaust
Not sure if you noticed, but you lose valve control with this axelback. That to me would be a deal breaker, but ymmv.
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Not sure if you noticed, but you lose valve control with this axelback. That to me would be a deal breaker, but ymmv.
I saw that, but getting a good deal on it and figured I’d only run it for a few months until AA releases their new system.
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It looks interesting, I wonder how it will sound with my Remus Race Axleback.
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