[Adem1534]

Will post here what I posted in the other thread.

M240i is still a very, very different car than the M2. I don't really understand why some people are worried, although a lot of people tend to get it.

It's not abiut numbers. It's about character and DNA.

The M2 still fills it's role, and I'm happy that people can get a great car in the M240i without waiting 2 years.

Win win for everyone! Well done BMW.

[BurpZilla]

Originally Posted by BMWPWR

According to this article, the B58 is less tuneable than the N55.

http://www.autoevolution.com/news/bm...ght-99845.html

Nice! I was just about to post this.

[PrematureApex]

Originally Posted by OrangeCrush

The other is a high revving, high HP(same tq), wide bodied scalpel that carves it's way through the twisties! They both have their buyers, I know which this fanboy prefers.

Forget the factory rated power, it means nothing coming fro BMW (who is all over the place regarding which engines they underrate and which they don't).

The 340 put down the same 330 whp stock, on the same dyno, as the M2. And the 340 has more power potential. 380 whp with just a piggy, pump gas, and NO other mods.

Not that I think it's a big deal if you're buying the M2 for the right reasons...

But still...this is the first time BMW is selling a standard model of a series with the same power (and likely straight line performance) as the M model.

Assuming the 240 gets the same tune/exhaust on the B58 that the 340 has.

[PrematureApex]

Originally Posted by BMWPWR

According to this article, the B58 is less tuneable than the N55.

http://www.autoevolution.com/news/bm...ght-99845.html

Originally Posted by zenmaster

According to Terry, BMW is underrating the B58's power. The stock B58 on the 340i is making the exact same whp 332 as the M2's N55, but at a lower RPM.

Yeah, no need for speculative articles at this point, when the tuners have already spoken.

The B58 is more tuneable than the N55. A good bit more actually.

[OrangeCrush]

Originally Posted by PrematureApex

Yeah, no need for speculative articles at this point, when the tuners have already spoken.

The B58 is more tuneable than the N55. A good bit more actually.

I don't remember if you have taken delivery of your M2 or not, anyway, our family has the M2 of course and a 535i with an N55 engine. Even though they are both N55 motors they are really not that similar. The M2 is faster revving/ higher revving, more linear with less lag than the N55 in our 5 series and holds power until 7000 rpms instead of dying off in the 5k's. They really are night and day and if you didn't know they were the "same", you wouldn't think they were. The M2 N55 is not a "stump puller" and seems pretty fitting for an M car.

[PrematureApex]

Originally Posted by OrangeCrush

I don't remember if you have taken delivery of your M2 or not, anyway, our family has the M2 of course and a 535i with an N55 engine. Even though they are both N55 motors they are really not that similar. The M2 is faster revving/ higher revving, more linear with less lag than the N55 in our 5 series and holds power until 7000 rpms instead of dying off in the 5k's. They really are night and day and if you didn't know they were the "same", you wouldn't think they were. The M2 N55 is not a "stump puller" and seems pretty fitting for an M car.

I have no doubt. Although it's just in the tune. But anyway, I wouldn't want the B58 in the M2 at this point and I'm fine that the left it in.

I was just saying, this is sort of a first for BMW.

I'd assume an equipped 240 is going to be priced so close to the M2, BMW isn't exactly fearful of losing M2 sales to HP focused buyers. They win either way.

[Adem1534]

Originally Posted by PrematureApex

I have no doubt. Although it's just in the tune. But anyway, I wouldn't want the B58 in the M2 at this point and I'm fine that the left it in.

I was just saying, this is sort of a first for BMW.

I'd assume an equipped 240 is going to be priced so close to the M2, BMW isn't exactly fearful of losing M2 sales to HP focused buyers. They win either way.

Correct me if I'm wrong, but I thought it's been made clear that it's not just a tune?

[PrematureApex]

Originally Posted by Adem1534

Correct me if I'm wrong, but I thought it's been made clear that it's not just a tune?

We know it probably has some S55 internal parts (crank bearings, etc.). Jury is still out on the block, but it's not looking like it's closed deck as reported in the U.S. market. Perhaps it is, and the technical training manuals are wrong.

But anyway, I was about power affecting components. The M2's tune on any EWG N55 will result in an engine with the same improved power curve. The most experienced tuners in the business with the N55 have confirmed that from an output standpoint, it is like any other EWG N55.

More specifically, since going to the new wastegate style and/or the associated increase in the hot side outlet size, the EWG N55 cars have shown an improved ability to hold power higher into the rev range vs. the older N55 cars. Their power curves on a tune look just like those of the M2.

[Benzima]

At least the M240i will be available!

[ASAP]

Originally Posted by Adem1534

Will post here what I posted in the other thread.

M240i is still a very, very different car than the M2. I don't really understand why some people are worried, although a lot of people tend to get it.

It's not abiut numbers. It's about character and DNA.

The M2 still fills it's role, and I'm happy that people can get a great car in the M240i without waiting 2 years.

Win win for everyone! Well done BMW.

There is no question an M2 is the better car... the non M cars suspension is imho opinion trash along with that 8spd auto, however, the heart of the car should be its motor... and they fall into another trap here with that as the non M car gets the better motor... especially if you are an enthusiast.

[M-Pilot]

Originally Posted by Robin_NL

Ha, well , M240i and M140i are coming here in EU. They have an advertised 340(DIN/EU) HP. M2 has an advertised 370 (DIN/EU)HP.

That's a 30HP crank difference on paper. Since both B58 and N55 in M2 are underrated there will always be the '30HP' difference am I wrong?

Cheers
Robin

Not really the case. The N55 on M2 is not that underrated. For example, 340i makes 320hp on paper but it puts down 330whp on dyno. If M240i is tuned the same way, I'm pretty sure it will put down the same whp on dyno as M2, if not more.

[fcman]

Originally Posted by BMWPWR

According to this article, the B58 is less tuneable than the N55.

http://www.autoevolution.com/news/bm...ght-99845.html

That's not what BMS is finding http://www.n54tech.com/forums/showthread.php?t=37518

B58 is a monster.

[Adem1534]

Originally Posted by PrematureApex

We know it probably has some S55 internal parts (crank bearings, etc.). Jury is still out on the block, but it's not looking like it's closed deck as reported in the U.S. market. Perhaps it is, and the technical training manuals are wrong.

But anyway, I was about power affecting components. The M2's tune on any EWG N55 will result in an engine with the same improved power curve. The most experienced tuners in the business with the N55 have confirmed that from an output standpoint, it is like any other EWG N55.

More specifically, since going to the new wastegate style and/or the associated increase in the hot side outlet size, the EWG N55 cars have shown an improved ability to hold power higher into the rev range vs. the older N55 cars. Their power curves on a tune look just like those of the M2.

Thanks for the explanation, I don't think I'd ever tune mine to surpass DINAN Stage 1 output regardless. Not even sure if I want to tune at all yet, actually. If I only track it two or three times a year, I'm not sure I see a favorable cost and engine wear vs benefit ratio for me. Even thought DINAN is under warranty I am not sure how I feel about it, have you had any experience with DINAN?

[Adem1534]

Also, how much does this B58 engine weigh? And it is impressive, we can't look over the fact that the tune is also pulling past the S55, and that's the flagship motor... I'm sure there's a reason BMW is doing what they're doing, I trust them.

[Macphisto]

Should I not take delivery of my LBB, manual at MSRP (currently on the Torino and headed towards Manzanillo, Panama) and wait for the M240i?

[ASAP]

Originally Posted by Adem1534

Also, how much does this B58 engine weigh? And it is impressive, we can't look over the fact that the tune is also pulling past the S55, and that's the flagship motor... I'm sure there's a reason BMW is doing what they're doing, I trust them.

what about the s55 lol?

An S55 puts down 420 whp stock.

[pruettfan]

None of this deters me at all. The value in the M2 goes far beyond the torque specs. Brakes, suspension, oil pump system, suspension, electronic diff etc make the M2 a great value and overall car. The M240 will also be great but it won't have the content. Both cars have more than enough power already so I don't understand the fascination with tuning potential, yes I get that some like to tune and I have nothing against that but tuning potential isn't a primary consideration for the vast majority of buyers.

[csbear]

Originally Posted by Adem1534

Man, that's totally the opposite of how j feel and the reactions I've been getting. People keep saying 'damn, is that the new M3???'

Agree... Actually, to me the M3 has little presence on the road. In stock form the M3 is a snooze fest to me.

[aerostar]

Originally Posted by ASAP

what about the s55 lol?

An S55 puts down 420 whp stock.

Did you see the B58 thread?

Tune, Meth, intake with no other bolt-ons is pulling 453/445 to the wheels...

[Bobdaxx]

^^^^
b58 is unreal

[unreg]

Funny, I was on the list for the M2, as mine got delayed "only 5months" I gave up.
Dealer called me with "exciting news"... the 240i...

I went the 718 way anyway.

[atxsk8r]

Originally Posted by aerostar

Did you see the B58 thread?

Tune, Meth, intake with no other bolt-ons is pulling 453/445 to the wheels...

Yes, nice numbers but i could care less about tuning.

I'm not trying to build a high hp car and join the NHRA or drive around with slicks on the street to utilize all the power. It's about the overall package of the car for me.