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Randy Pobst drove both the M235i and Mustang GT at Willow Springs, and the FORD had a 2 second faster lap time. That's a sound beating. Is the M235i a nicer car? Sure. But there's no need to belittle other people's cars.
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this is my exact plan. I already DD a Focus ST and I love the piss out of it. 4WD plus more power in the Focus - I'll be in heaven. |
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Yes, Ford's RWD/sports offerings are wanting, particularly in the US. But, they have had iconic cars like the Sierra Cowsworth, Lotus Cortinas, Escorts, the RS200. And over here, the original Ford Thunderbird raced and beat the corvette on the tracks. The. You have all the old school iron like the Galaxies, etc. back when BMW was not known for being the "Ultimate Driving Machine". Now, we are seeing Ford come back with an all new mustang, Ford Focus ST/RS, Ford GT. |
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02-12-2015, 07:37 AM | #70 | |
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Ford has been on a roll lately. But maybe we should keep our heads in the sand.
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02-12-2015, 09:59 AM | #71 |
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Lol!!
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02-12-2015, 10:13 AM | #72 | |
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The GT looks like it's out of HALO. It looks down right stunning. And the GT350R looks like it literally wants to kill you. |
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02-14-2015, 03:48 PM | #73 |
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Interesting thread. Good time to stop lurking.
So.. if per Chris Harris the Volkswagen Golf R = BMW 235 (more or less) And if the upcoming BMW M2 > BMW 235 And if the upcoming Ford Focus RS > Volkswagen Golf R Then doesn't that place the Ford Forus RS in competition with the BMW M2 when it comes to actual driving? When the latest crop of performance vehicles becomes available, I'll shop all of the ones I can reasonably afford. I've owned a E36 M3 (great car) and a 2008 135 (not reliable) but BMW is just another car company. I'll purchase based on utility, fun factor, and cost. And unless the interior is simply too awful to bear, the Focus RS is looking pretty good. |
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350 PS... what is that, 340-345 hp? Sounds like this is going to give the M135i/235i some competition.
http://www.ford.ie/AboutFord/GenevaMotorshow2015 |
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Man, some of the comments in this thread hurt my head. I have owned Ford's and BMWs. I love them both equally for different reasons.
Now Ford has been knocking it out of the park lately with all their new models, and whoever said no one is going to cross shop an RS to m235/m2 is wrong. I am currently cross shopping any performance car from $30k-50k. If this Focus RS is anything like the ecoboost mustang (and it will be), tune/easy bolt ons (intake/exhaust) gets it into the 11s 1/4 mile range. Expect the RS to be quicker than that as it has AWD, and might be lighter. While the interior of the RS might not be up to BMW standards, I am pretty tired of the same old BMW interior, I mean it really hasn't changed for the past 10 years. At least Ford is trying to make it look nicer. Will the M2 have a nicer interior? Probbaly, but take a look at some of the base model BMW's, they dont have the best interiors either. The RS will also have some cool driving modes "Making the most of the Focus RS’ 320 horsepower and all-wheel-drive system are four driver modes Normal, Sport, Track, or Drift Mode"......"The effects of the other modes are familiar to Mustang drivers, but engaging the Drift mode alters the torque distribution to allow for controlled oversteer" This car will also not be mid $40's. Not sure where everyone is getting those numbers from. It will be priced similar to the STI/EVO, mid to high $30s. Sign me up. |
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BMW was quite impressive at Geneva with their 2 AT models!
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Honestly I can't wait to read and watch reviews of all the new Ford perf cars. I mean they built an Aventador competitor and BMW is building fwd minivans. wtf!!?
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(In my opinion) Ford is not aiming at the bmw/mercedes/audi market and probably never will, hence cars like m2,m235i,cla,gla,s3. all of those cars offer refinement that most people maybe not enthusiast would prefer and wouldn't give up over lets say Evo,Sti,Speed3,Focus RS ,which in my opinion are the cars people can directly compare the RS to. Focus RS is cool but not a m2 rival or any german car for that matter, maybe golf R but even that might be a bit of a different market. Performance Numbers aside its just a different class of car , maybe more hardcore and the vast majority of perspective buyers of german cars aren't looking for that. We all can (well should) appreciate a car for the enthusiast even when its not a BMW!
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I have the same expectations for the car's tuning potential. I'm planning to order one in Stealth Grey. I've already put a deposit down for my dealership's first M2, so I'll be able to do a direct comparison between the two cars. |
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... I thought that guy was looking for a new M2 mule.
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Ignore comments like that from fan boys because you can appreciate great cars, especially this new gen Ford has been putting out. How one can ignore the new upcoming GT350 with a flat plain crank that dances around the M4 on the Nurburgring, is beyond me?! All that for a whopping $54,000 MSRP. No refinement ok thats fair enough, but Ford has turned it up a notch and will continue to do so. There is an upcoming performance Fusion as well and Its all Im going to say...not allowed to talk about it any more then that...
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My next cross-shop list.....M2, Cayman, GT350
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Sad to say as much as I want the GT350, I can still get an F80 M3 cheaper with Euro delivery. The Ford stealerships are super ridiculous with markups on cars like this. And they 99% of the time wont give us A-plan which is our employee discount because they just think the cars will roll off lots. This is why I am Eagerly anticipating the M2, and if that does not appeal on to the smurf blue M3 ED . But its like anything in the past...Ive seen 2013 shelby GT500's sit on the showroom for up to a year because the hype was dead and no one would fork over 85,000k asking price.
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Another problem I've heard is Ford lease rates are horrible for performance division cars. Let's hope that trend is broken with the GT350 and Focus RS.
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I read there was a button you can press called insane mode maybe it will do the drifts lol
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