[m2ss]

Originally Posted by ///MPhatic

My car is pretty much without flaw, and has been used mostly for photography.

https://www.flickr.com/photos/visualechos/

I miss my GSX-R and RX7...

[Steelguin]

Originally Posted by ///MPhatic

My car is pretty much without flaw, and has been used mostly for photography.

https://www.flickr.com/photos/visualechos/

mine as well who wants it for 85? Give me a contact

[///MPhatic]

Originally Posted by Steelguin

mine as well who wants it for 85? Give me a contact

You'd need to paint it LBB, fit it with red 2NH brakes, cover it in PPF, add a GTS hood, some FI-R's, MPS, and all the OEM carbon bits before he'd consider it. Oh, wait, forgot, you'd need to swap your DCT for a 6MT, and get rid of one of those pesky turbos so it'd sound good.

[Steelguin]

yeah sure.

[DadVibes]

Originally Posted by ///MPhatic

My car is pretty much without flaw, and has been used mostly for photography.

https://www.flickr.com/photos/visualechos/

If someone was truly offering more than $35k over what OG M2’s are currently going for, why on earth wouldn’t you take that money and run?

Even if you didn’t want to pay the premium to jump to a P-Car, you could turn around and buy a CS, which are now trading hands for ~$90k.

Or hell… sell the OG M2, buy a low mileage Comp, and have ~$20-25k in your pocket.

I’m sorry but this just doesn’t make any sense, at all.

[///393]

Originally Posted by DadVibes

I’m sorry but this just doesn’t make any sense, at all.

Mods and time are worth something but this does seem out of wack. Who knows. People are weird.

[DadVibes]

Originally Posted by wilson kop

Mods and time are worth something but this does seem out of wack. Who knows. People are weird.

I’m my experience, mods almost always have a negative impact on resale value. But hey, if ///MPhatic can get $85k, go get that money!!

[Lokguru]

I feel it depends on type of Mods. The one I traded for C2S was a 2021 LBB M2C MT Exec.
I got $64.5K tradein. Initially over phone, they had offered $62.5K but after they saw it in person, I was able to push them and get an extra $2K citing modes and mint condition.
I had PPF on front and rear, M performance M2CS carbon spoiler, diffuser, gear shifter, aluminum pedals and nonOEM CF exhaust tips.
But yea, I only got $2K more for the $4K I spent extra. So lost $2K on mods, but net $500 loss (as I got mine new for $61K plus $4K expense on Mods).
The dealership sold mine the very next day for like over $72K.
Now this was in July. I had pre-traded mine thinking I will have my 22’911 by September, which eventually became a 23 with Dec 23rd as delivery.

So in my case, I lost money in Mods but was able to get 50%.. maybe it was just a 10 month old car or crazy market in July

[///MPhatic]

Originally Posted by DadVibes

If someone was truly offering more than $35k over what OG M2’s are currently going for, why on earth wouldn’t you take that money and run?

There is nothing else I'd rather have for the same $85K, which means I'd be spending even more money on a garage ornament that doesn't hardly get driven.

Originally Posted by DadVibes

Even if you didn’t want to pay the premium to jump to a P-Car, you could turn around and buy a CS, which are now trading hands for ~$90k. Or sell the OG M2, buy a low mileage Comp, and have ~$20-25k in your pocket.

I like Porsche cars, but I don't like them $55K more than what I have (remember I have an Exige as well). Secondly, I'd much rather have my car than a stock CS. Lastly, if I had a Comp I'd sell it for an OG.

Originally Posted by DadVibes

I’m sorry but this just doesn’t make any sense, at all to me.

Fixed that for you.

Originally Posted by wilson kop

Mods and time are worth something but this does seem out of wack. Who knows. People are weird.

It's 2 things. First, spec out a 2018 exactly like mine with my mods and what it would cost to build the car exactly as it is. Second, have someone that has seen the process from beginning to end that's in love with your car and has the cash and not necessarily the want to do all the mods or pay to have them done.

Originally Posted by DadVibes

I’m my experience, mods almost always have a negative impact on resale value. But hey, if ///MPhatic can get $85k, go get that money!!

I can't see my mods having a negative impact at all, as they are all very popular. If you'd pay less for my car than a stock 2018 LG you've pretty much lost your mind. But that's ok, different strokes and all that .

[///393]

Originally Posted by ///MPhatic

Secondly, I'd much rather have my car than a stock CS.

Cocain is a helluva drug.

[M2C-NLUSA]

Originally Posted by wilson kop

Cocain is a helluva drug.

indeed

[M2C-NLUSA]

Originally Posted by Lokguru

It’s like two different breeds. M2C felt more raw and living on the edge as you try to push it. You need to be careful and that’s the fun of driving an M2C and I do miss that danger feel . I still remember one time I struggled to get the control back and I was in MDM pushing it hard on track.

The C2S is all together in a different league, super well planted and moves with you very close like a glove; a true sports car. It’s how every sports car should be. Super amazing engine, strong power delivery throughout the rpm, grip and tossability. The manual shifter and perfection with which it can launch on 1st and then to 2nd is just awesome, probably one of the best manual shifter I have experienced. Also the downshift is pure bliss feeling in the 911.

Saying that, M2C I feel you get like 150% for what you pay, while 911 more like 80% for what you pay - $61K Vs $140K (mine has Bordeaux leather interior and few other non necessary upgrades, but I got a 2023 for 2022 pricing as Porsche delayed my production). So net-net, if I only have under $70K to spend I will buy F87M2C over and over , again and again. I can’t say the same for F80M3 which I had before my M2C. It’s such a good one for that price and there is NO other second option out there. However, If you can find $120K, without a blink I will jump again and again for a 911 C2S, it’s truly a dream car!

Interesting considering the 7 speed is one of the most unloved Porsche manuals. They screwed up by having five forward detents. It screws up the 5 and 7 shift a a lot.

[Lokguru]

It doesn't actually in the new gen..it's been few weeks I am driving it and shifts so precise .. you can't go to 7th unless you are in 5th or 6th in 992, there is a lock that prevents any accidental 4th to 7th instead of 5th. The issue you are referring to is for 911.1 and 911.2. Ya, 991.1 folks who were new had issues between 5 and 7. The newer 911 gen, the 992.1, is a brand new gearbox. You ride it just like a 6spd, going to 7 only while cruising…

[Davil]

Originally Posted by MystroX5

Unfortunately its built on a entry level 2 series and its build quality like plastic dash, Dakota leather, etc... was too noticeable over time for me but certainly worthy of its $60k price point.

Have you been in a Cayman? It’s Toyota 86 level interior quality. Acres of plastic, cheap switches and blanks.

911 is a bit more upmarket than Cayman but still full of plastic. It’s a mass produced car just like BMW. Where the BMWs are usually better is ergonomically. The 992 is a real mess. You can’t even see two of the gauges. The main redeeming quality is that lovely centre tacho. The weird Braun razor gear shift.. no words.

[m2ss]

Originally Posted by Davil

Have you been in a Cayman? It’s Toyota 86 level interior quality. Acres of plastic, cheap switches and blanks.

So true, my 718 was a blast but sounded worse than the M2C and the interior was meh at best...

My R8 on the other hand was nice.

[Lokguru]

Originally Posted by m2ss

So true, my 718 was a blast but sounded worse than the M2C and the interior was meh at best...

My R8 on the other hand was nice.

This is true.... Caymans are such a blast to drive and the manual is so crisp. But dont look at interior, its a decade old look. My first choice while trading my M2C was Cayman GTS (Flat 6), but my 5 year old loves to ride with me, and hence 911, for kiddie back seats . Add $4.5K+ to get leather dash and leather door panel - I added Bordeaux leather, and its looks perfect. But for the base price I wish it came standard.

My dream car is 911 GT3 MT, but to get it at MSRP, I need to buy and trade back atleast couple of 911s with this dealership. Maybe it doesnt make sense to get a GT3, but for some reason, I am just love struck with it. The good thing, am #17 is WL

[///MPhatic]

Originally Posted by wilson kop

Cocain is a helluva drug.

IMO a much more powerful drug is the one slipped to the public by BMW, making them believe that the Competition and CS models are actually worth their increased costs to the average buyer. This is especially true for the CS, which is destined to become a car that trades hands a multitude of times and never gets really driven or appreciated.

[///393]

Not sure how some folks use of their CS relates to preferring a lightly modified ‘18 over a CS but, different strokes and what not.

[m2ss]

Originally Posted by Lokguru

My dream car is 911 GT3 MT, but to get it at MSRP, I need to buy and trade back atleast couple of 911s with this dealership. Maybe it doesnt make sense to get a GT3, but for some reason, I am just love struck with it. The good thing, am #17 is WL

My ultimate dream car is the 991.2 GT3RS which also happens to be my wife's worst nightmare.

Any suggestions?

[Swish77]

Originally Posted by Lokguru

It’s like two different breeds. M2C felt more raw and living on the edge as you try to push it. You need to be careful and that’s the fun of driving an M2C and I do miss that danger feel . I still remember one time I struggled to get the control back and I was in MDM pushing it hard on track.

The C2S is all together in a different league, super well planted and moves with you very close like a glove; a true sports car. It’s how every sports car should be. Super amazing engine, strong power delivery throughout the rpm, grip and tossability. The manual shifter and perfection with which it can launch on 1st and then to 2nd is just awesome, probably one of the best manual shifter I have experienced. Also the downshift is pure bliss feeling in the 911.

Saying that, M2C I feel you get like 150% for what you pay, while 911 more like 80% for what you pay - $61K Vs $140K (mine has Bordeaux leather interior and few other non necessary upgrades, but I got a 2023 for 2022 pricing as Porsche delayed my production). So net-net, if I only have under $70K to spend I will buy F87M2C over and over , again and again. I can’t say the same for F80M3 which I had before my M2C. It’s such a good one for that price and there is NO other second option out there. However, If you can find $120K, without a blink I will jump again and again for a 911 C2S, it’s truly a dream car!

Congrats on your new 911! I actually did the reverse and sold my 2019 911 Carrera T to get into a '21 M2 Comp. Your assessment is spot on, although I feel the M2C is much closer to the 911 in terms of shifting, and definitely in power/torque. Still, my 911 had the base engine, not the S.

But as you say, value-wise, the M2C wins all day, although you'd gotta give overall sports-car feel to the 911. Just wish it had useable back seats for the kids once in a while!

[DadVibes]

Originally Posted by ///MPhatic

IMO a much more powerful drug is …

I like you, but you say some crazy stuff.


Anyway, I’ve contributed to derailing this thread enough. Congrats on the new car, OP. My next toy will certainly be a 911. Enjoy!

Originally Posted by m2ss

My ultimate dream car is the 991.2 GT3RS which also happens to be my wife's worst nightmare.

Any suggestions?

Personally, the best approach I’ve found for getting my wife to sign off on a new car, is to wear her down by talking about it for months (sometimes years), until she’s just tired of hearing about it. Letting her pick something she’d prefer on the new car helps a lot too. It leads to a smidge of excitement out of her, when I do pull the trigger on one that includes the one thing she preferred it to have.

For the M2C, letting her pick the exterior color was enough to ultimately push her over the edge of approval.

I’ve begun the multi-year process of wearing her down on the idea of me getting a 992 Carrera S/T/GTS as the next toy. It never ends. 😆

[m2ss]

Originally Posted by DadVibes

Personally, the best approach I’ve found for getting my wife to sign off on a new car, is to wear her down by talking about it for months (sometimes years), until she’s just tired of hearing about it. Letting her pick something she’d prefer on the new car helps a lot too. It leads to a smidge of excitement out of her, when I do pull the trigger on one that includes the one thing she preferred it to have.

For the M2C, letting her pick the exterior color was enough to ultimately push her over the edge of approval.

I’ve begun the multi-year process of wearing her down on the idea of me getting a 992 Carrera S/T/GTS as the next toy. It never ends. 😆

We must be related as this is the method I've used to buy my last 5 p-cars but no more, she's desensitized to it. Especially after selling my 1M to start the ball rolling, she loved that car more than I did (she got an M2 in tribute).

I also let her pick my M2C as she drives it just as much. Everyone is happy except I have no GT3...I need a new approach. A 992 GTS would be a good compromise but she'll see right through that...I need a new innovative strategy.