[MadBimmeRad]

Originally Posted by Golden3ye

Their performance times are the fastest reported. I wonder how they accomplished them.

On top of a bullet-train

[chris719]

Originally Posted by MadBimmeRad

On top of a bullet-train

Yep. Standard Car and Driver numbers.

[6CylindersEveryDay]

Originally Posted by chris719

Man I do not want to turn this into an audio thread so I won't reply further on audio (but feel free to PM)... but I think that analogy is wrong and it's actually the reverse with audio electronics most of the time. People buy them and of course they sound good, because they just paid a ton for it. Witnessed this once with a piece of defective hardware even.

I'm an engineer that happens to design DACs and ADCs for far more demanding purposes than audio, and I have deep experience with the "high end" audio electronics industry. I have also designed audio DACs and ADCs. I'm not going to give you a specific price, but know that diminishing returns is very real with these parts. It's not as big of a scam as cables, but privately the designers who aren't nuts will admit things you probably don't want to know.

On the CS, I think people complain not because the entire package isn't worth the price, but because it's easy to see that the price has had a large jump but you don't see commensurate changes to the bill of materials cost. Clearly the CS models are higher margin for BMW and that's fine, the top model always is, for everything.

Totally understand and that's why I tried to qualify my analogy with "well reviewed"...of course a lot of audio reviewers are full of it as well. It's certainly tough to navigate the snake oil in audio, especially since people have to get their room acoustics on point before very much equipment improvement even matters.

[Greg FEightytwo]

ya because everything forward is ugly af

[e90335e36m3]

So much not so humble bragging in this thread. Rolex and a CS? Whoa.

All joking aside, it's an awesome car and the manuals especially will hold their value like nobody's business, especially with the shit designs BMW is producing across the range (G series, looking at you). Wish BMW gave the M4CS a manual too.

[F87EVO]

So much to love about this car .. Love the design , love the driving feel

Def a keeper !

[e90335e36m3]

Originally Posted by Bimmercs

So much to love about this car .. Love the design , love the driving feel

Def a keeper !

Looks awesome. I was working in Poland for about a year and a half, and have never seen the CY license plate code. I looked it up...makes sense.

[F87EVO]

Originally Posted by e90335e36m3

Looks awesome. I was working in Poland for about a year and a half, and have never seen the CY license plate code. I looked it up...makes sense.

Yeah , its very rare to see a CY code car in Mainland Europe. But its much rarer to see a CY code M2 CS in Cyprus ! There's only one

[gemini.m3]

I think the g87 comp will be a great car but the f87 CS is a keeper with what we’ve seen from the g 2 series so far in terms of weight, dimensions and bare metal.

I fall in love again with my CS every time I get into it

[CarJunkie]

Originally Posted by Bimmercs

So much to love about this car .. Love the design , love the driving feel

Def a keeper !

Agreed! Happy DCT owner here! When I want to use my left foot, I drive the other one.

[AndrewC1989]

Originally Posted by CarJunkie

Agreed! Happy DCT owner here! When I want to use my left foot, I drive the other one.

Love everything in this photo (except that tri color stripe on the 1M's grill)

[ellipsis212]

Originally Posted by chris719

Man I do not want to turn this into an audio thread so I won't reply further on audio (but feel free to PM)... but I think that analogy is wrong and it's actually the reverse with audio electronics most of the time. People buy them and of course they sound good, because they just paid a ton for it. Witnessed this once with a piece of defective hardware even.

I'm an engineer that happens to design DACs and ADCs for far more demanding purposes than audio, and I have deep experience with the "high end" audio electronics industry. I have also designed audio DACs and ADCs. I'm not going to give you a specific price, but know that diminishing returns is very real with these parts. It's not as big of a scam as cables, but privately the designers who aren't nuts will admit things you probably don't want to know.

On the CS, I think people complain not because the entire package isn't worth the price, but because it's easy to see that the price has had a large jump but you don't see commensurate changes to the bill of materials cost. Clearly the CS models are higher margin for BMW and that's fine, the top model always is, for everything.

Great take. Though…never argue against someone's need to feel superior by spending more than necessary. They'll go to the mat every time! 😆

I happen to think the M2 CS is probably worth every penny of its premium price, primarily in terms of the driving experience which always includes accounting for a car's specialness, but I'm also taking into account its marketability. The positive reviews are just too overwhelming to chalk it all up to cachet.

[Dav3]

Granted I'm not a huge fan of the M2 CS (I consider it a parts bin mash up) with the direction BMW is going nowadays combined with the inevitable advent of souless electric cars... Indeed the M2CS will be a future classic

[buckybadger]

Originally Posted by Dav3

Granted I'm not a huge fan of the M2 CS (I consider it a parts bin mash up) with the direction BMW is going nowadays combined with the inevitable advent of souless electric cars... Indeed the M2CS will be a future classic

Till the next G87 CS comes out.

[Eddien123]

I wish reviewers would stop saying how great it is. I'd like to snag one in a few years and not feel obligated to garage it for it's value

[gemini.m3]

Originally Posted by buckybadger

Till the next G87 CS comes out.

That’s debatable based on a lot of things that are hard to predict. I’d love having both in my garage but the f87 in general maybe not even the CS alone will be a classic considering it was the first of its breed. The first M3 is sought after why wouldn’t the first m2 be 10-15 years down the road when all we got is electric?

G87 will weigh more, probably be uglier (subjective) it has larger dimensions, more tech so less of an analog experience and I’m ultimately curious how many they will make and be brought to the US. The f87 CS rarity was a perfect storm with COVID halting production for nearly 6 months. I think there is under 580 units in the US and how commonly a car like this is adds to its ability to be a classic or not I think

So it remains to be seen either way

[dezzracer]

Originally Posted by DocEyes

Reading all the negative comments below the article about the price, value, really can't be that good etc. is like déjà vu……of course all by folks who haven't laid eyes on one never mind even drive one. Someone asked how many have been sold….10 of them?
As has been said before…if you don't know, you don't know.

Same negativity on value of M3 CS was spewed in 2018 But those that have driven both M3 comp and CS especially on a track beg to differ. And that's not counting the way it looks from the outside. One of the best looking M cars ever IMO.

[Dylanm240]

Originally Posted by Dav3

Granted I'm not a huge fan of the M2 CS (I consider it a parts bin mash up) with the direction BMW is going nowadays combined with the inevitable advent of souless electric cars... Indeed the M2CS will be a future classic

It IS a parts bin mashup. All M2's have been. Part of what makes it so great. Shoved the m3/m4 engine in smaller body.

[Jimjamz]

Originally Posted by CarJunkie

Agreed! Happy DCT owner here! When I want to use my left foot, I drive the other one.

Beautiful collection! I'm loving the last of the M DCTs as the ZF8 auto takes over M. Unless it's a shocker I'll add a G87 CS manual to the stable to drive the last of the M manuals alongside it.

[gemini.m3]

Originally Posted by dezzracer

Same negativity on value of M3 CS was spewed in 2018 But those that have driven both M3 comp and CS especially on a track beg to differ. And that's not counting the way it looks from the outside. One of the best looking M cars ever IMO.

Love the M3 CS -- its really a toss up or me on what's the better looking road car.. m2 cs or m3 cs..

I might give the edge to the m3 cs, but I was disappointed in no manual on it but the car is incredible looking.

Putting it side by side with a g80 m3 is just like w t f were they thinking. Chances are I'm going to have the same reaction to the g87 comp.

[adc]

Originally Posted by jdub486

As an m2c owner I’m more intrigued now to get behind the wheel of a CS. Car and Driver panned the m2c for numb steering and I’d rank it as my number one dynamic complaint about the car. I guess it’s the additional negative camber, cup 2’s, lighter weight and roof stiffness making a difference.

Probably a combination of electric steering calibration, alignment, light wheels and Cup tires. If you want more feel on your car install a set of camber plates, dial in an aggressive alignment, switch to lightweight rims and tires, and finally get someone to remote into the car and code the CS settings for steering, ABS, diff etc. You’ll have 90% of the effect for just a few grand.


I’m running an Ohlins suspension on my M3, Vorschlag plates, -3 camber and all the CS coded settings and it is a significant improvement over anything BMW came up with stock, apart perhaps the M4 GTS.

[Jimjamz]

Originally Posted by adc

Probably a combination of electric steering calibration, alignment, light wheels and Cup tires. If you want more feel on your car install a set of camber plates, dial in an aggressive alignment, switch to lightweight rims and tires, and finally get someone to remote into the car and code the CS settings for steering, ABS, diff etc. You'll have 90% of the effect for just a few grand.


I'm running an Ohlins suspension on my M3, Vorschlag plates, -3 camber and all the CS coded settings and it is a significant improvement over anything BMW came up with stock, apart perhaps the M4 GTS.

Motortrend noted the stiffness in the chassis provided by the carbon roof contributed to the directness of the steering response.