[filet.M2c]

Anyone here running clubsport 2-ways? KW only advertises the 3-way for the M2, but based on this Thread it should be a direct fit on an M2 comp due to running the same top mounts as the M4? Or am I missing something? Should I run softer springs?

To add on this, does anyone have experience with KW CS (2 or 3 way) vs Ohlins R&T?

Mostly intended for canyon driving with some track days sprinkled in between. I don't mind a stiffer ride on the street and would like to eliminate most of the wheel gap. I'm considering these vs MP coils or KW V3 due to the narrower spring diameter and I'd like to avoid running spacers.
I'm running:
265/30/19 x9.5et31
295/30/19 x11et48


+ monotube and KW CS come with camber plates? Are these as adjustable as something like GC?

Appreciate any thoughts or feedback

[tropicatango]

M2
M2c
M3 f80
M4 f82

All the same suspension..... in fact not really but they all fit on any of these cars

Bilstein pss10 only have one part number for all of these, so m4 suspension is a direct bolt on on m2c

[filet.M2c]

Any thoughts on the pros/cons of KW CS vs Ohlins?

[MR RIZK]

Open to other brands?

I personally have never run KW's but have heard the CS are way better then the typical variants they have. For me I will never run them. Just an opinion.

I have run the Ohlins R&T in the past on other cars and they were an awesome B road setup however for the M2 there has been mixed reactions from many and issues with the damper clunking within the housing. This apparently been addressed though. Also there is quite a few owners say if u buy Ohlins for the M2 go through a company called 3D "something". Have a search as apparently their tuned setup is sweet.

For me I have gone with MCS 2 ways.

[filet.M2c]

Originally Posted by MR RIZK

Open to other brands?

I personally have never run KW's but have heard the CS are way better then the typical variants they have. For me I will never run them. Just an opinion.

I have run the Ohlins R&T in the past on other cars and they were an awesome B road setup however for the M2 there has been mixed reactions from many and issues with the damper clunking within the housing. This apparently been addressed though. Also there is quite a few owners say if u buy Ohlins for the M2 go through a company called 3D "something". Have a search as apparently their tuned setup is sweet.

For me I have gone with MCS 2 ways.

Any reasons you'd never run KW? I would consider other options, but have never run MCS. I'd have to do some further digging around for reviews on performance and longevity.

[MR RIZK]

It is just one of things. I have driven cars fitted with KW's and just didn't gel with them. Nothing about quality or longevity.

Over the years in the JDM space I have run multiple mid level setups and the ohlins r&t was by far the best. Decided to take the next step and went with the MCS.

Depending on your budget and goals ohlins recently released their TTX range for the M2.

[SEAT TIME RULES]

Originally Posted by MR RIZK

It is just one of things. I have driven cars fitted with KW's and just didn't gel with them. Nothing about quality or longevity.

Over the years in the JDM space I have run multiple mid level setups and the ohlins r&t was by far the best. Decided to take the next step and went with the MCS.

Depending on your budget and goals ohlins recently released their TTX range for the M2.

$11500 USD for the TTX's! Thats stupid money

[MR RIZK]

SEAT TIME RULES

Yep way out of my budget and freely admit that! However I think you are pricing the ones with external canisters. The ohlins offical package is about USD$8k from what others have posted.

[SEAT TIME RULES]

Originally Posted by MR RIZK

SEAT TIME RULES

Yep way out of my budget and freely admit that!

Thank god your sane...

[M2 GT]

The Ohlins DFV can be custom valved and set up to meet your needs. So can the KW too (or basically any damper), and the CS kit actually looks quite balanced out of the box (400/800 spring rates, put that into wheel rates let's just say times 0.96^2/0.6^2, that's 368/288), should work well on the street and just close the damping for track.

Personally I have the DFV but have also experienced the CS. To be honest they all can be adjusted to be compliant, at least in my opinion. The KW feels slightly stiffer and I suspect it's just got more compression valving than the DFV. I actually think the DFV is too soft for the track, but if it is a street car the recommended rates work very well. With the DFV the benefit is the quick high velocity reaction, as it's basically a 2 way blow off valve. If you want them to be even softer for street use, or stiffened up for a track kit, give Barry at 3DM Motorsports a call, tell him Eric sent you.

[M Fifty]

Originally Posted by filet.M2c

Anyone here running clubsport 2-ways? KW only advertises the 3-way for the M2, but based on this Thread it should be a direct fit on an M2 comp due to running the same top mounts as the M4? Or am I missing something? Should I run softer springs?

To add on this, does anyone have experience with KW CS (2 or 3 way) vs Ohlins R&T?

Mostly intended for canyon driving with some track days sprinkled in between. I don't mind a stiffer ride on the street and would like to eliminate most of the wheel gap. I'm considering these vs MP coils or KW V3 due to the narrower spring diameter and I'd like to avoid running spacers.
I'm running:
265/30/19 x9.5et31
295/30/19 x11et48


+ monotube and KW CS come with camber plates? Are these as adjustable as something like GC?

Appreciate any thoughts or feedback

So, you're running spacers at the moment?

[filet.M2c]

Originally Posted by M2 GT

The Ohlins DFV can be custom valved and set up to meet your needs. So can the KW too (or basically any damper), and the CS kit actually looks quite balanced out of the box (400/800 spring rates, put that into wheel rates let's just say times 0.96^2/0.6^2, that's 368/288), should work well on the street and just close the damping for track.

Personally I have the DFV but have also experienced the CS. To be honest they all can be adjusted to be compliant, at least in my opinion. The KW feels slightly stiffer and I suspect it's just got more compression valving than the DFV. I actually think the DFV is too soft for the track, but if it is a street car the recommended rates work very well. With the DFV the benefit is the quick high velocity reaction, as it's basically a 2 way blow off valve. If you want them to be even softer for street use, or stiffened up for a track kit, give Barry at 3DM Motorsports a call, tell him Eric sent you.

Appreciate this info. Sounds like you can't really go wrong with either. Any issues with reliability on either of them in your experience? Also, based on images I see floating around here, it appears the ohlins do not allow for as large of a drop?

[filet.M2c]

Originally Posted by M Fifty

So, you're running spacers at the moment?

Nope, no spacers. My wheel spec are listed in the OP

[M Fifty]

So, why would you need them in order to run MPS? They're the same diameter as the stock springs, and the KW V3 are smaller at the front. Maybe I'm reading this wrong...

[filet.M2c]

Originally Posted by M Fifty

So, why would you need them in order to run MPS? They're the same diameter as the stock springs, and the KW V3 are smaller at the front. Maybe I'm reading this wrong...

There is definitely low clearance between the spring and the wheel rn, and correct me if I am wrong, but if I lower and add camber I will be closer to where the spring widens in diameter?

[M Fifty]

You can add as much front camber as the body shell will allow (spring diameter dependent), without reducing the clearance between the wheel, and the spring - as that doesn't change. Having the lower spring seat further down on the strut may cause clearance issues, depending on rim width and offset, but that's independent of camber. HTH

[HP Autosport]

Originally Posted by filet.M2c

Anyone here running clubsport 2-ways? KW only advertises the 3-way for the M2, but based on this Thread it should be a direct fit on an M2 comp due to running the same top mounts as the M4? Or am I missing something? Should I run softer springs?

To add on this, does anyone have experience with KW CS (2 or 3 way) vs Ohlins R&T?

Mostly intended for canyon driving with some track days sprinkled in between. I don't mind a stiffer ride on the street and would like to eliminate most of the wheel gap. I'm considering these vs MP coils or KW V3 due to the narrower spring diameter and I'd like to avoid running spacers.
I'm running:
265/30/19 x9.5et31
295/30/19 x11et48


+ monotube and KW CS come with camber plates? Are these as adjustable as something like GC?

Appreciate any thoughts or feedback

Hard to compare two products meant for different purposes.

You will find the KW CS better on the track than the Ohlins R&T because of camber plates and independently adjustable compression settings. Ohlins, although said by some to be stiff for street duty, KW CS even stiffer and the quality of damping for bumps isn't as good as the Ohlins.