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      07-16-2020, 12:44 AM   #2289
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We all need to make our own value call.

Driving and washing two M cars weekly with both brake types I find $8k of value in the ease of keeping the CCB wheels clean and not dealing with the rusty steel rotors after each wash.
Also the CCB/763 combo feels more nimble than the steel/666 combo during daily driving.

Just my two cents - if my M2CS was going to the track then for certain 100% would get steels if no track use then would get CCBs. Plus red calipers seem a bit much tbh.
I can understand and agree with everything, except the highlighted part.

Saying that CCB/763 feels more nimble than the steel/666 on the street is absurd IMO. Key words: on the street. I just don't understand how you could ever notice significant handling improvements in that area on a daily-driven car. And even if you did notice a tiny bit of difference, it would never matter in the slightest on a daily-driven car.

Yes, I understand the physics behind unsprung mass, lighter weight, etc. I owned several M3's with lighter wheels and brakes. It makes sense for the track where every little adjustment counts and you're into setting lap times. Otherwise, it reminds me of the because-race-car crowd who believes that no sunroof and cheap coilovers equate to a better-handling car on the street, when in fact it doesn't.
It's splitting hairs and it's hard to describe. Maybe "nimbleness" not the right word but it feels different ever so slightly over bumps, lane divider reflectors etc. as in lighter over and quicker to settle after those road imperfections. Maybe I'm just imagining it or maybe it's the overall CS vs ZCP package. Maybe its mostly 666 wheels vs 763 wheels. Curious if anyone else has driven both combos back to back.
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      07-16-2020, 01:11 AM   #2290
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It's splitting hairs and it's hard to describe. Maybe "nimbleness" not the right word but it feels different ever so slightly over bumps, lane divider reflectors etc. as in lighter over and quicker to settle after those road imperfections. Maybe I'm just imagining it or maybe it's the overall CS vs ZCP package. Maybe its mostly 666 wheels vs 763 wheels. Curious if anyone else has driven both combos back to back.
I suspect that your experience is accurate for what one would expect with less unsprung mass.
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      07-16-2020, 09:08 AM   #2291
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@IB M would you share more about this.....

Also the CCB/763 combo feels more nimble than the steel/666 combo during daily driving

What's the weight difference between the two wheels. Trying to determine if it is CCB related or a lighter outer wheel.
Based on info from this forum (wheel pics lifted from other threads) CCBs save about 12.5 lbs per corner. The 763 wheels with tires are about 5 lbs lighter per corner than the 666 wheels. That's about 17 - 18 lbs per corner or about 70 lbs less in my F80 case.

The 437 wheels on the OG M2 are lighter than the 666 wheels but still a couple lbs more than the 763s. I've heard the wheel and brake combo on the M2C is heavier as well but don't have those stats here.

So the wheels are a factor too but the CCBs at least in my case are almost 3/4 of the overall weight savings.
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      07-16-2020, 09:48 AM   #2292
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Rough oldshcool redneck math is 3lbs of rotational mass is 1 wheel HP (obviously doesn't correlate to front wheels). Various threads on Vette forums can back this up, but that's a rule of thumb. There are still a ton of factors to consider.
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      07-16-2020, 10:06 AM   #2293
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Weight savings at outer wheel and tire should have an impact on the feel of acceleration and what was described above as the suspension settling more quickly. Weight towards the hub is mostly going to be noticed in the feel of suspension settling.

What gross weight comparison does not show is the distribution of the weight across the entire wheel. Two wheels of same weight could impact handling differently.

Unfortunately that's not something we can easily identify. I'd be curious how those wheels have weight distributed
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Didnít know where else to post..?!



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      07-31-2020, 04:17 AM   #2296
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      07-31-2020, 10:53 PM   #2297
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https://configure.bmw.com.au/en_AU/c...TH,S08TN,S0925
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Itís also on the BMW Canada website.Not sure why they have it listed as a MY20 and not a MY21.Looks like the Australian website doesnít even list the model year.

https://configure.bmw.ca/en/configur...S9,S08TH,S0ZMA
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      08-01-2020, 11:23 AM   #2299
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I'm unsure why they are clinging to MY20 with a death grip. I was informed that all will be MY20.
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      08-06-2020, 03:44 PM   #2300
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It finally happened.....A dedicated CS section
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It finally happened.....A dedicated CS section
Not sure the M3 or M4 CS have a section.

M2CS the new benchmark!
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It finally happened.....A dedicated CS section
You should of placed the "CS" on the top of the model's menu subsection, to troll insecure non-CS owners, since you know, it's the superior tier in the food chain and all..

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You should of placed the "CS" on the top of the model's menu subsection, to troll insecure non-CS owners, since you know, it's the superior tier in the food chain and all..
j/k
I noticed that a couple of M2 CS threads had vanished. Then I saw the dedicated M2 CS section. So I transferred more M2 CS threads to that new section.

No dedicated M3/M4 CS section exists, though:
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OT, but mkoesel any chance us CS owners (or soon-to-be ) can get our own M3/4CS subforum like the M4 GTS?
That would be up to forum admin. My personal thoughts are that the CS is similar enough to the rest of the lineup that a separate forum is unnecessary. Competition models have never had their own forum, and the CS could arguably be described as "ZCP Stage II".
Making multiple forums for different trim levels of the same car is a slippery slope. Yes, the M2C got its own forum, but that car actually replaced the original M2 completely so that made some sense. And the M4 GTS forum serves as a place to talk about its unique water injected engine, suspension, etc.
And what about the new 330i and M340i? They are no more similar to one another than an M3 Competition and M3 CS are (arguably less so, in fact). If the CS gets a forum, then you have to oblige M340i owners with their own forum too. Next thing, someone wants a "ZTP" specific forum, or an M Sport package forum, and who knows what else.
Just my 2 cents.
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I noticed that a couple of M2 CS threads had vanished. Then I saw the dedicated M2 CS section. So I transferred more M2 CS threads to that new section.
In my opinion, there was no choice but to create an F87 M2 CS forum since there was an F87 M2C forum. It was confusing, especially for newcomers, to have the top model and the former entry level model share a forum while the mid tier model had its own.

For the next generation G87, I would expect the M2 and M2C to arrive on the market together like every other current day M product, and they should naturally use the same forum again like every other M section on Bimmerpost. Later when the M2 CS arrives it also won't need its own forum. Now, if there's a CSL model, and if it is as distinguished and limited as the F82 M4 GTS model, perhaps it'll receive its own dedicated forum like that model has.
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Interesting perspective that I believe lends credence to the CS being a good buy even though it's a tad over priced.

https://www.dexerto.com/cars/youtube...an-gt4-1402160

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j/k
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You should of placed the "CS" on the top of the model's menu subsection, to troll insecure non-CS owners, since you know, it's the superior tier in the food chain and all..
j/k
I noticed that a couple of M2 CS threads had vanished. Then I saw the dedicated M2 CS section. So I transferred more M2 CS threads to that new section.

No dedicated M3/M4 CS section exists, though:
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OT, but mkoesel any chance us CS owners (or soon-to-be ) can get our own M3/4CS subforum like the M4 GTS?
That would be up to forum admin. My personal thoughts are that the CS is similar enough to the rest of the lineup that a separate forum is unnecessary. Competition models have never had their own forum, and the CS could arguably be described as "ZCP Stage II".
Making multiple forums for different trim levels of the same car is a slippery slope. Yes, the M2C got its own forum, but that car actually replaced the original M2 completely so that made some sense. And the M4 GTS forum serves as a place to talk about its unique water injected engine, suspension, etc.
And what about the new 330i and M340i? They are no more similar to one another than an M3 Competition and M3 CS are (arguably less so, in fact). If the CS gets a forum, then you have to oblige M340i owners with their own forum too. Next thing, someone wants a "ZTP" specific forum, or an M Sport package forum, and who knows what else.
Just my 2 cents.
Yeah, that was me who petitioned for a dedicated M3/4 CS subforum, but no go...maybe now
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Interesting perspective that I believe lends credence to the CS being a good buy even though it's a tad over priced.

https://www.dexerto.com/cars/youtube...an-gt4-1402160

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Seems it took him all of a day to have buyers remorse . . .

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That's funny. In all fairness. If I didn't need backseats I might have ordered a spyder with pdk. The look of the GT4 is fantastic.
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