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I’m in the middle of moving and the M2 is my only car. I’m so happy I didn’t go with a Supra right now. I like how the Supra looks. I like that it appears to be competent. But let’s not kid ourselves it’s a halo car. Toyota is trying to capitalize on nostalgia while proving to the world they’re not as boring as they’ve appeared to be over the past two decades. Not having a manual on the car is a travesty. I just can’t for the life of me understand the decision to spend all that money developing (or paying bmw to develop) a platform that compromises interior space, practicality, fuel economy etc in the name of driving fun only to not include a manual transmission. They got 90 percent of the way there but then fucked up that last ten percent in a way that pretty much invalidates their entire goal for a large number of people (and I’d argue a disproportionate number of the fanboys that make up the core market for this car.) I was watching Matt Farrah review the four banger Supra recently. He mentioned that the last time he took one on a twisty road, the transmission overheated and the car went into limp mode. Torque converter autos are great...for certain things. Anyway, yeah. I’m a salty former Toyota fanboy, so the car not having a manual really hurt. |
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I agree with you about BMWs of old . . . whenever I see circa 2015 335i M Sport I still think it is one of the best looking cars on the road. Not even an ///M car. Simple, common and quintessential BMW. . . great car. In fact, one day I am going to see one on a lot somewhere and take it off their hands. Regarding G series . . . M3/4 are dead to me, but I do think the G87 M2/M2C are going to carry the F87 to the next level. Finally, as a quick aside . . . by no means am I trying to enable you when it comes to those damn gold wheels, BUT I saw this M2 and I am man enough to say it . . . those gold wheels look pretty sweet in THAT photo. ///AVM |
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08-04-2020, 08:19 PM | #47 | |
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Hate comparisons with auto vs mt or wildly different tires. |
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Toyota manufacturing is known for being extremely efficient and always looking for ways to improve their processes.
That being said, maybe they plan on releasing a manual Supra in the future with higher hp motor (S58?). Planned obsoleteness, it works. And besides capitalizing on consumerism, having a manual sports car in the line up will help make Mr White New Balance Douche Bag think he's cool. Because the lame ass unibody SUV he bought for his stupid family is made by the same company that produces a fire breathing sports car that's available with a super cool stick shift that they "would so get if I didn't have these lame kids". What I'm getting at, people want to connect with being part of a cool thing even though they won't take the plunge themselves. BTW, the DCT is awesome and totally unrelated to my incoherent ramblings about hating on people that won't drive a manual.
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That much power difference is good for at least a couple of seconds. I think the issue is the handling of the m2. Supra did it so much better. Also quarter mile in another video the m2 beat it by a . Point on a second. That power diff should be good for 1.5 seconds. Aside from the hype over it. Car does not deliver. I am glad you're happy w this car. |
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I SAID ANYONE LIKE DRIVING WITHT THE WINDOWS OPENNNN? Only for the brave in a Supra and you like hospital food.
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Its a high 1:57.xx. It has been tested already, even though there's no video of it. Don't recall the exact time.
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A 70hp difference (which is more like 50, if that) isn't as important as it may seem. The M2C with the standard tires has an incredible difficult time with the front. It clearly needs better or larger tires. The Supra has a better platform for the track. And was still slower, despite having the quicker gearbox (on the M2 they shortshifted/didnt shift lower on 2 or 3 corners, where the DCT would obviously push harder). |
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Comparing a 2 door sports car against a basic economy car with a big motor is doesn't make sense, but it seems to generate a lot of conversation.
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Look in the video about 1:20 min into the M2 lap, entering the 3rd section, how he does that corner. An inexperienced person would have had an incredibly hard time. |
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As someone that drives with the windows down pretty all the time, it's a deal breaker. I can't believe manufacturers are still struggling with this in 2020. |
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These are the S55 Tune numbers I have (US):
405hp/406lb-ft M2C 425hp/406lb-ft Base M3/4 444hp/406lb-ft Competition Pkg M3/4 444hp/406lb-ft M2cs 454hp/442lb-ft M4cs 500hp/442lb-ft M4GTS (with water injection) Agreed - People forget the M2C's S55 is de-tuned.
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the s55 is a much more engaging engine than the b58 has much more character, revs more freely and has that motorsports feel the b58 is strong and torquey and sounds good but it can't compare to an actual m developed engine |
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Its a wonderfully capable engine and it sounds delicious compared to the horrific sound of the S55 My M2 will beat my M4 to 60 over and over again that's how capable it truly is The only place I prefer the M4 is on the highway at higher speeds
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I posted the power values in DIN hp, you are showing SAE hp. In that respect, the GTS should show 493hp to be consistent and CS should show 453hp to be more precise .
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The biggest issue with Toyota sports cars is that Toyota doesn't build sports cars. They literally re badge other manufacturer's cars as their own. I wouldn't trust that in the sense of when the car needs servicing, wouldn't the techs at Subaru or BMW know more about the car than Toyota?
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