[M-Supra]

My 2 cents concerning drivers being "surprised" by a short wheelbase, instant torque, RWD, funmobile.

Good news is that this issue is easily resolved with proper exercise.

Improving synapse data transfer speeds between one's sphincter and both hands is easily accomplished by visiting your local large unoccupied parking lot on a rainy day.

Long hold DSC to turn all nannies off so you can learn your car's natural, designed, unadulterated behavior. Why in the rain on a wet surface? In the wet you can experience the limits at much slower/safer speeds.

You will very quickly learn that this car demands quick hands for spirited driving.

Nannies work but they should not be relied on to correct lack of seat time, in my opinion, all these driver aids encourage less driving involvement, less situational awareness, slowed reaction times to impending doom.


I drive on the cheapest tires I can find (with proper ratings of course).

[Chasing Dreams]

I bought a MY17 BSM 6MT from BMW Germany. Even though the stock car had a substantial discount, I couldn't bring myself dishing out 15K more just to get a new one.

How do you like lifting your toddler in that backseat? It's a joy *cough* to experience every day.

[Al1969]

Originally Posted by M-Supra

My 2 cents concerning drivers being "surprised" by a short wheelbase, instant torque, RWD, funmobile.

Good news is that this issue is easily resolved with proper exercise.

Improving synapse data transfer speeds between one's sphincter and both hands is easily accomplished by visiting your local large unoccupied parking lot on a rainy day.

Long hold DSC to turn all nannies off so you can learn your car's natural, designed, unadulterated behavior. Why in the rain on a wet surface? In the wet you can experience the limits at much slower/safer speeds.

You will very quickly learn that this car demands quick hands for spirited driving.

Nannies work but they should not be relied on to correct lack of seat time, in my opinion, all these driver aids encourage less driving involvement, less situational awareness, slowed reaction times to impending doom.


I drive on the cheapest tires I can find (with proper ratings of course).

Great... I know what to do now ... buy a new M2 and exercise even more, with water and cheap tires ... my insurer will love this learning approach

[M-Supra]

Originally Posted by Al1969

Great... I know what to do now ... buy a new M2 and exercise even more, with water and cheap tires ... my insurer will love this learning approach

[koastal]

Originally Posted by Al1969

Great... I know what to do now ... buy a new M2 and exercise even more, with water and cheap tires ... my insurer will love this learning approach

I think Supra means - learn better car control, in a safe environment. Sound advice imo
Some people can find a problem for every solution.

[2nd chance]

Originally Posted by Chasing Dreams

How do you like lifting your toddler in that backseat? It's a joy *cough* to experience every day.

He's 6... gets in all by himself

[Chasing Dreams]

Originally Posted by 2nd chance

He's 6... gets in all by himself

Lovely.
Mine is 3 so I get the joy of lifting him in every day and taking off his shoes so he doesn't destroy the interior.

[ScottAndrew]

Originally Posted by pruettfan

Totally false. First tires don't cause cars to lose control when its rainy, drivers do!

I don't know about that. Kinda implies the driver needs to take some sort of responsibility. Isn't it easier to get a lawyer and do a class action thing to blame Michelin for producing a tyre that doesn't grip so well fitted to a 400 bhp car when you run it down to the wire, so I don't have to admit I ran out of talent?

[Artemis]

Originally Posted by ScottAndrew

I don't know about that. Kinda implies the driver needs to take some sort of responsibility. Isn't it easier to get a lawyer and do a class action thing to blame Michelin for producing a tyre that doesn't grip so well fitted to a 400 bhp car when you run it down to the wire, so I don't have to admit I ran out of talent?

Have a look here:

• https://www.thebalancesmb.com/most-r...l-time-4110919 ("Most Ridiculous Lawsuits")
• https://www.ranker.com/list/the-13-d...ory/williammtx ("The Dumbest Lawsuits In Recent History")*

*IMHO the referenced Liebeck v. McDonald's Restaurants case (aka 'McDonald's hot coffee lawsuit') was neither dumb, nor frivolous.

[2nd chance]

Originally Posted by Chasing Dreams

Lovely.
Mine is 3 so I get the joy of lifting him in every day and taking off his shoes so he doesn't destroy the interior.

You take off his shoes???

[Chasing Dreams]

Originally Posted by 2nd chance

You take off his shoes???

Every.single.time. Trying to get him not to put his shoes on the passenger seat or center console is like throwing oil on a fire.

[Franzino]

Originally Posted by 2nd chance

I sure hoped Sport+ would ultimately save my ass... IT DIDN'T.

This week, an BMW instructor told us (warned us) not to put Sport+ on (track), we should use comfort (rain), Sport or MDM instead.

TC in Sport + and MDM mode react exactly the same...Sport + is sharper throttle response, heavier steering feel (same as sport) and TC in MDM mode.

On the street I drive mostly in Sport + (when not in the city centre)...I like the extra freedom of the TC and the sharper throttle response. On track (I visit Nurburgring regulary) I drive with sport.

[Al1969]

Artemis posted a deadly accident on M2C thread ... the poor guy lost control with brand new M2C, our cars are monsters !!! Discipline and coaching (for non-pro pilots like me) that is so important... and Michelin this time...

[ScottAndrew]

Originally Posted by Al1969

Artemis posted a deadly accident on M2C thread ... the poor guy lost control with brand new M2C, our cars are monsters !!! Discipline and coaching (for non-pro pilots like me) that is so important... and Michelin this time...

Sadly, a part of me wonders how many people here genuinely think the crash - indeed any crash - was the fault of the car or BMW in general. And perhaps would urge the family to consider legal action, if given the opportunity.

[kevlee23]

So do you have more photos of the side thst got impacted? Doesn't look too bad I need to see the doors. I just got in an accident yesterday and my car looks way worse. Worries they don't deem totaled and try to repair it here in US. It'll never be the same if so

[rich8566]

Originally Posted by 2nd chance

Sorry for the disturbing image...

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It looks like there's some roof crush there. No issues to your head and neck when you rolled?

[champignon]

Originally Posted by Chasing Dreams

Every.single.time. Trying to get him not to put his shoes on the passenger seat or center console is like throwing oil on a fire.

I drive barefoot almost all of the time; what's not to like?

[Poochie]

Originally Posted by 2nd chance

Sorry for the disturbing image...

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WoW, you actually walked away from this ^ and lived to tell the story

Good for you

Now I get why you chose the handle "2nd Chance" ..

[baki777]

Originally Posted by Al1969

Sorry about that :-(

The car was declared fully damaged due to the price of the parts costing more than 65% of the car price.... here are the pictures I took

How can you total a new car. I mean I know that the M2 is difficult to control in some situations but this here is stupidness sorry.

[baki777]

Originally Posted by Al1969

Here she is :-)

And now you are upgrading to a competition after not beeing able to control the OG M2. Well done. Take a 120i xdrive not only for also for other people on the roads.

[baki777]

Originally Posted by champignon

I drive barefoot almost all of the time; what's not to like?

it's not allowed

[baki777]

Originally Posted by Al1969

Hehe 😂
You sound like a lost Audi driver in a M forum ... but you are right... my wife keeps telling me I am stupid when I say we should get rid of the A4 alroad ... probably due to my Swiss mountain love driving origins😜

I never drove any type of audi nor 4-wheel driven cars.

But I am sure they would have save some people.

Have you ever been on the chasseral route?