[David1]

Originally Posted by twboy1999

michline PSS are amazing in the rain

yes I have many years of experiences with them.

any tires you push in the rain you will crash
simple

And once you get to half tread remaining. I have 4k miles on mine and I am down to 5/32. Front are still at 9/32. So unless you check your tires regularly, you can hydroplane with any tire.

[///M TOWN]

Originally Posted by David1

And once you get to half tread remaining. I have 4k miles on mine and I am down to 5/32. Front are still at 9/32. So unless you check your tires regularly, you can hydroplane with any tire.

Bam!

[Dabozo]

Originally Posted by 10"

Dunno what you are talking about. PSS are NOT dangerous in the rain. PSS are widely known to be one of the best all around summer tires around. Have driven at least 40,000 miles on PSS tires on my 1M and can only say good things about them...even on a car as aggressive as mine. Never once an issue in the rain or otherwise. The PS2s I tried on the other hand; were not so good!

PS4S are surely good but only minimally better by all accounts. They are merely a refinement of the already fantastic PSS.

Have to echo these sentiments...2 cars, both rwd, 3 sets of PSS's and only positive things to say about them.

[terrywang]

I'll get myself into a driving course (control oversteer, drifting, sliding) before doing some enthusiastic driving on twisty roads.

[eatingpizzainthef87rules]

The stock contis are awful when they get close to the wear bars even compaired to other similar tires (MPS4s)

Mine have 4200miles on them and the rears are just past the wear bar, they are very very very snappy at the limit - lots of grip then snap oversteer with very little warning unlike most worn out street tires that just have lowered grip levels that progressively get worse as lateral G's increase.

I could see how that could bite OP into a crash if you aren't on your game, or did some drifting / donuts and wore them down expecting similar grip levels as before the session.

They feel very similar to how a slick breaks away on the track just with lower total grip.

[champignon]

No one has mentioned the transmission in this thread.

Don't want to start a Manual vs. DCT discussion, however as a driver of manuals (many of them) I feel like I get an extra element of control having a clutch that I don't feel is present when I drive an automatic (always a rental car). This becomes extremely obvious in slippery (e.g. wet, even moreso in snowy) conditions.

Driving an automatic in snow is something I personally find to be somewhat terrifying. I took delivery of my 2013 135is 6MT convertible during a snowstorm in Salt Lake City, from the Carmax there. It had summer RFT tires on it, which I got rid of at the first opportunity. I managed to drive it 250 miles that day, although mostly on dry or wet pavement, after the snowstorm ended and it warmed up a bit. I drove it 20 or 30 miles in snow and slush, and was able to control it without difficulty. I would never have attempted this in an automatic car.

It's like you get a certain kind of feedback through the gearbox and the clutch, and once there is any slippage you just let off the clutch, or downshift, and the problem goes away. Granted, I'm talking mostly about driving in snow; if I was driving really fast in the rain (just wouldn't do that in the snow, period), I'm sure I could lose control, regardless of the transmission.

[GoneIn4Secs]

Originally Posted by champignon

No one has mentioned the transmission in this thread.

Don't want to start a Manual vs. DCT discussion, however as a driver of manuals (many of them) I feel like I get an extra element of control having a clutch that I don't feel is present when I drive an automatic (always a rental car). This becomes extremely obvious in slippery (e.g. wet, even moreso in snowy) conditions.

Driving an automatic in snow is something I personally find to be somewhat terrifying. I took delivery of my 2013 135is 6MT convertible during a snowstorm in Salt Lake City, from the Carmax there. It had summer RFT tires on it, which I got rid of at the first opportunity. I managed to drive it 250 miles that day, although mostly on dry or wet pavement, after the snowstorm ended and it warmed up a bit. I drove it 20 or 30 miles in snow and slush, and was able to control it without difficulty. I would never have attempted this in an automatic car.

It's like you get a certain kind of feedback through the gearbox and the clutch, and once there is any slippage you just let off the clutch, or downshift, and the problem goes away. Granted, I'm talking mostly about driving in snow; if I was driving really fast in the rain (just wouldn't do that in the snow, period), I'm sure I could lose control, regardless of the transmission.

What about dct in manual mode?

[AlpsRider]

Originally Posted by GoneIn4Secs

What about dct in manual mode?

I think that he is talking about the ability to completely disengage the engine from the drive wheels with the clutch at will and the ability to control re-engagement again subtly. This is the big difference between DCT and manual transmissions. There is no way while driving to disengage the drive of the car. It is either acceleration or deceleration, there is no neutral. It is necessary to use the brakes or engine for that in between neutral momentum. This is nearly impossible, there will always be a bit of acceleration or a bit of deceleration.

[///M TOWN]

Originally Posted by AlpsRider

I think that he is talking about the ability to completely disengage the engine from the drive wheels with the clutch at will and the ability to control re-engagement again subtly. This is the big difference between DCT and manual transmissions. There is no way while driving to disengage the drive of the car. It is either acceleration or deceleration, there is no neutral. It is necessary to use the brakes or engine for that in between neutral momentum. This is nearly impossible, there will always be a bit of acceleration or a bit of deceleration.

Not true, you can easily go into neutral on the DCT and then back into gear.

[AndrewC1989]

Originally Posted by eatingpizzainthef87rules

The stock contis are awful when they get close to the wear bars even compaired to other similar tires (MPS4s)

Mine have 4200miles on them and the rears are just past the wear bar, they are very very very snappy at the limit - lots of grip then snap oversteer with very little warning unlike most worn out street tires that just have lowered grip levels that progressively get worse as lateral G's increase.

I could see how that could bite OP into a crash if you aren't on your game, or did some drifting / donuts and wore them down expecting similar grip levels as before the session.

They feel very similar to how a slick breaks away on the track just with lower total grip.

I have my stock contis still (6k miles on them). Totally agree with what you said about the snap oversteer. Thing is i've gotten accustomed to it somewhat and find it a lot more predictable than the first time it happened (which was a very scary moment).

I'll be switching to PS4S around 8-10k I presume. It can be fun but it definitely feels a little dangerous when playing in Sport+

In the wet I slide everywhere. Then again I have M4GTS MDM coded in so I'm not sure how much of the tire is to blame for the car moving around so much when It's what I've basically asked the diff to do. I won't actually know how these compare to anything else until I get rid of them so it's really guesswork on my part.

All in all it's not a bad tire but that snap oversteer is very real. Better hope you have two hands on the wheel so you can be quick to catch it.

[AlpsRider]

Originally Posted by eDrive

Not true, you can easily go into neutral on the DCT and then back into gear.

Really? Does anyone actually do that while driving?

[///M TOWN]

Originally Posted by AlpsRider

Really? Does anyone actually do that while driving?

Hard to say, but it's easily done.

[akkando]

Originally Posted by eDrive

Not true, you can easily go into neutral on the DCT and then back into gear.

Not if you're in 4th gear. It seems to only want to get to neutral from 1st or 2nd.

[stefan]

Shit happens. We drive an M2 instead of an RS3 because it can scare the crap out of us when we turn everything off. My experience with the M2 is it is utterly effortless to move the back end. More than any other M car I have had. This makes it hugely exciting but also quite risky. Certainly if you want more stability you must replace the tires. There is nowhere near enough tire on this car, unless of course you want fun factor.

[///M TOWN]

Originally Posted by stefan

Shit happens. We drive an M2 instead of an RS3 because it can scare the crap out of us when we turn everything off. My experience with the M2 is it is utterly effortless to move the back end. More than any other M car I have had. This makes it hugely exciting but also quite risky. Certainly if you want more stability you must replace the tires. There is nowhere near enough tire on this car, unless of course you want fun factor.

True. I have just over 4K and I can already tell the back tires are going to need replacement soon enough.

[TheMagician]

Originally Posted by champignon

No one has mentioned the transmission in this thread.

Don't want to start a Manual vs. DCT discussion, however as a driver of manuals (many of them) I feel like I get an extra element of control having a clutch that I don't feel is present when I drive an automatic (always a rental car). This becomes extremely obvious in slippery (e.g. wet, even moreso in snowy) conditions.

Driving an automatic in snow is something I personally find to be somewhat terrifying. I took delivery of my 2013 135is 6MT convertible during a snowstorm in Salt Lake City, from the Carmax there. It had summer RFT tires on it, which I got rid of at the first opportunity. I managed to drive it 250 miles that day, although mostly on dry or wet pavement, after the snowstorm ended and it warmed up a bit. I drove it 20 or 30 miles in snow and slush, and was able to control it without difficulty. I would never have attempted this in an automatic car.

It's like you get a certain kind of feedback through the gearbox and the clutch, and once there is any slippage you just let off the clutch, or downshift, and the problem goes away. Granted, I'm talking mostly about driving in snow; if I was driving really fast in the rain (just wouldn't do that in the snow, period), I'm sure I could lose control, regardless of the transmission.

This is on point. Very true for me as well.

[fanshu]

Sorry to hear that, and thanks very much for your sharing.

[2nd chance]

I wrecked my first M2 (MG 6MT) in exactly the same way

My fault... Sport+ and too quickly on the throttle after exiting corner.

I couldn't believe what happened! I drove Sport+ all the time, 12000km in 15 months ownership :s

How do I post pictures here?

[Artemis]

Originally Posted by 2nd chance

How do I post pictures here?

Click the paperclip icon, "Browse", select a picture, and so on, and subsequently "Upload". In your comment click the paperclip icon again to choose the uploaded picture(s).

[Chasing Dreams]

Originally Posted by 2nd chance

I wrecked my first M2 (MG 6MT) in exactly the same way

My fault... Sport+ and too quickly on the throttle after exiting corner.

I couldn't believe what happened! I drove Sport+ all the time, 12000km in 15 months ownership :s

How do I post pictures here?

Was it stored after at Le Couter (Dealership) in Tielt (BE) after?

[Franzino]

Originally Posted by Artemis

Can you please corroborate your statement with a reference to the article ?

Though I know a few things about the M2 and its development, I have never read anywhere what you state.

My M2 got Michelin PSS and later replaced with Michelin PS4S.

I also fitted PS4S on the rear (front still my first set of PSS), but I was surprised they are not available with BMW star approved label... Not big deal, but still could not understand why not?

[Franzino]

Originally Posted by 2nd chance

I wrecked my first M2 (MG 6MT) in exactly the same way

My fault... Sport+ and too quickly on the throttle after exiting corner.

I couldn't believe what happened! I drove Sport+ all the time, 12000km in 15 months ownership :s

How do I post pictures here?

In your opinion did you think that the slip angle of sport + (M dynamic) was too much and made you crash because you could not control the car in time? In theory when the slip goes too far in sport + the stability control will also intervene... Could sport/comfort have saved this crash, you think?