Questions answered from the BMW M press drive at Ascari

MR. · 07-27-2018, 07:00 AM

Guys, I am here at Ascari right now and as we all know I am not allowed to share any driving impressions yet.

I can also not say how the car is, but I can answer a few question you guys had over the past months. I talked to the head of engineering and he shared the following:

What did you change on the suspension?
The suspension is in essence the same, there is no difference in the spring rates. I will explain in my review where the main differences are with regards to the M2, but in the basis the hardware is all the same.

Weight of the new wheels?
437M 10 kg front, 10,7 kg rear
788M 11,2 kg front, 11,9 kg rear

Exhaust modes similar to M3/M4?
Yes, same concept but a slightly different characteristic due to the length of the exhaust and the OPF which has been added. There is no OPF in the muffler. The reason it is so big is that they need it for the soundtrack and the lower emissions standards.

Wheel colours?
There are only "black" wheels here, not silver.

MR

ChrisK · 07-27-2018, 07:12 AM

Thanks for the info. This is disappointing.

437M 10 kg front, 10,7 kg rear
788M 11,2 kg front, 11,9 kg rear

twboy1999 · 07-27-2018, 07:14 AM

disappointing the wheels are heavier
also
they didn't improve the suspension. (not that it was bad, I am sure there are always room for improvement)

no wonder the ring time is only 4 sec faster, all engine

what is OPF?

n55co · 07-27-2018, 07:32 AM

Exhaust modes similar to M3/M4?
Yes, same concept but a slightly different characteristic due to the length of the exhaust and the OPF which has been added. There is no OPF in the muffler. The reason it is so big is that they need it for the soundtrack and the lower emissions standards.

how is it possible to lower the emission without any filters in the muffler?

Veebee · 07-27-2018, 07:36 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by MR.

Weight of the new wheels?
437M 10 kg front, 10,7 kg rear
788M 11,2 kg front, 11,9 kg rear

MR

Jesus, now I am wondering why to pay more for heavier wheels? Its better to invest to some aftermarkt wheels then... Really disappointment in this field.

Veebee · 07-27-2018, 07:39 AM

Can you ask them if the seating position is really lower than in OG M2 with the new seats?

Tag · 07-27-2018, 07:43 AM

They had previously said they revised the suspension spring rates (have to, the car is heavier) and that there were new ball joints in the rear.

MR. · 07-27-2018, 07:47 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Tag

They had previously said they revised the suspension spring rates (have to, the car is heavier) and that there were new ball joints in the rear.

I asked over and over again, and there was a definite no...

The ball joints is a point I don't get it was in the press release. I will ask again.

MR

Tag · 07-27-2018, 07:59 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by MR.

I asked over and over again, and there was a definite no...

The ball joints is a point I don't get it was in the press release. I will ask again.

MR

This article from Autocar UK.

Quote:

BMW M division’s head of development, Dirk Häcker, said the chassis revisions provide the new M2 with “significantly improved response and more progressive on-the-limit characteristics” than its predecessor. “We have altered the steering mapping, changed the spring and damper tuning and recalibrated the DSC [Dynamic Stability Control] systems as well.“ said Häcker. “it is still the benchmark in its class in terms of response and reactions, but it now slides with greater progressiveness and enthusiasm.”

Latest mention from Daaaan when he asked about the rear suspension at the BMW event in Switzerland.

Quote:

Originally Posted by Daaan

... Tag
Unfortunately I have to disappoint you...really sorry about this. As ///M Houbi mentioned, we had to put our phones in a bag...so no pics to share from the M2C. Also there was nobody that could answer the question about the difference for the rear suspension...only that it should be less "bum[p]y" and should support the small weight increas[e], as that was something some people complained about...
For the US prices they were not very helpful....only statement I could get was that it should be out soon..
...

Roundel Magazine, July 2018

Page 68

Quote:

To assure extremely precise wheel location, tight-tolerance ball joints are used to transmit transverse forces, and the control arms and wheel carriers of the new five-link rear axle are forged aluminum. A racing derived ridged connection, dispensing with rubber bushings, is used to fix the lightweight steel grid-type rear-axel subframe to the body; this controls wheel location and improves tracking stability.

https://f87.bimmerpost.com/forums/at...1&d=1531369868

dcmac · 07-27-2018, 08:22 AM

Comical that we are reading customer drive impressions on this very forum yet still BMW are insisting on this ridiculous review embargo.

COChris · 07-27-2018, 08:59 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Tag

Quote:

Originally Posted by MR.

I asked over and over again, and there was a definite no...

The ball joints is a point I don't get it was in the press release. I will ask again.

MR

This article from Autocar UK.

Quote:

BMW M division's head of development, Dirk Häcker, said the chassis revisions provide the new M2 with "significantly improved response and more progressive on-the-limit characteristics" than its predecessor. "We have altered the steering mapping, changed the spring and damper tuning and recalibrated the DSC [Dynamic Stability Control] systems as well." said Häcker. "it is still the benchmark in its class in terms of response and reactions, but it now slides with greater progressiveness and enthusiasm."

Latest mention from Daaaan when he asked about the rear suspension at the BMW event in Switzerland.

Quote:

Originally Posted by Daaan

... Tag
Unfortunately I have to disappoint you...really sorry about this. As ///M Houbi mentioned, we had to put our phones in a bag...so no pics to share from the M2C. Also there was nobody that could answer the question about the difference for the rear suspension...only that it should be less "bum[p]y" and should support the small weight increas[e], as that was something some people complained about...
For the US prices they were not very helpful....only statement I could get was that it should be out soon..
...

Roundel Magazine, July 2018

Page 68

Quote:

To assure extremely precise wheel location, tight-tolerance ball joints are used to transmit transverse forces, and the control arms and wheel carriers of the new five-link rear axle are forged aluminum. A racing derived ridged connection, dispensing with rubber bushings, is used to fix the lightweight steel grid-type rear-axel subframe to the body; this controls wheel location and improves tracking stability.

https://f87.bimmerpost.com/forums/at...8;d=1531369868

And there's this photo from the HS spotted on a truck. Looks like ball joint attachments for the camber arms. I can't quite tell if the trailing arm - subframe attachments are also.

JLlRacing · 07-27-2018, 09:38 AM

Mr, you could ask if the performance steering wheel will also end in orange?

I have already ordered the car, delivered it to me in October, with the interior in orange, and I have ordered many performance pieces together with the car, I would like to have the steering wheel together with the rest of the interior.

Fenerbahce · 07-27-2018, 09:38 AM

1.2 kg heavier per wheel? If these wheel weights are correct, the wheels explain ~10 lbs of weight gain in comparison to the M2 and M3/M4. Since we already knew the total weight of the car, I view this as good news since swapping to 437M or 763M will take off some weight.

ChrisK · 07-27-2018, 09:41 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Fenerbahce

1.2 kg heavier per wheel? If these wheel weights are correct, the wheels explain ~10 lbs of weight gain in comparison to the M2 and M3/M4. Since we already knew the total weight of the car, I view this as good news since swapping to 437M or 763M will take off some weight.

Agreed. The 763's will help quite a bit.

However, I still believe the corner weight figures aren't accurate between the M2C and the M3/M4. Is the corner weight compared to the M3/M4 ZCP or not. We all know that the 20" 666M wheels are heavy.

Tag · 07-27-2018, 09:46 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ChrisK

Agreed. The 763's will help quite a bit.

However, I still believe the corner weight figures aren't accurate between the M2C and the M3/M4. Is the corner weight compared to the M3/M4 ZCP or not. We all know that the 20" 666M wheels are heavy.

I don't know what to believe anymore.

Already have quotes for the 763's.

ChrisK · 07-27-2018, 09:47 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Tag

Quote:

Originally Posted by ChrisK

Agreed. The 763's will help quite a bit.

However, I still believe the corner weight figures aren't accurate between the M2C and the M3/M4. Is the corner weight compared to the M3/M4 ZCP or not. We all know that the 20" 666M wheels are heavy.

I don't know what to believe anymore.

Already have quotes for the 763's.

I know right? So much conflicting BS. I don't think we will know until people pull and weigh wheels.

Tag · 07-27-2018, 09:49 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ChrisK

I know right? So much conflicting BS. I don't think we will know until people pull and weigh wheels.

OMG, just noticed your avatar!

3tekcorps · 07-27-2018, 10:29 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Veebee

Can you ask them if the seating position is really lower than in OG M2 with the new seats?

Same question! Anything regarding this?

MR. · 07-27-2018, 10:47 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by JLlRacing

Mr, you could ask if the performance steering wheel will also end in orange?

I have already ordered the car, delivered it to me in October, with the interior in orange, and I have ordered many performance pieces together with the car, I would like to have the steering wheel together with the rest of the interior.

Nope you have to retrim it.

MR

MR. · 07-27-2018, 11:00 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by 3tekcorps

Quote:

Originally Posted by Veebee

Can you ask them if the seating position is really lower than in OG M2 with the new seats?

Same question! Anything regarding this?

If they don't know it has ball joints, do you honestly think they know how high you sit in the seats. haha lol

They already considered our wheel weight question awkward and we all know now why... It is freaking heavier than the old wheel. Time to remove them and use them only for winter.

I honestly think it has ball joints and the other stuff, but no different spring rate.

MR

Tag · 07-27-2018, 11:11 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by MR.

If they don't know it has ball joints, do you honestly think they know how high you sit in the seats. haha lol

They already considered our wheel weight question awkward and we all know now why... It is freaking heavier than the old wheel. Time to remove them and use them only for winter.

I honestly think it has ball joints and the other stuff, but no different spring rate.

MR

I don’t understand their thinking when it comes to wheels on a “competition” model. They did something similar with the M3/4 Comp Pack, the 666M are 20’s and weigh considerable more than the 437M. Ive got a question for you to ask them, what is everyone smoking at the M division?

ChrisK · 07-27-2018, 11:17 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Tag

I don’t understand their thinking when it comes to wheels on a “competition” model. They did something similar with the M3/4 Comp Pack, the 666M are 20’s and weigh considerable more than the 437M. Ive got a question for you to ask them, what is everyone smoking at the M division?

If I had a $1 for each wacky thing BMW has done over the years - well I would have multiple hotels on different planets by now.

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