[pruettfan]

If the M2 didn't exist I would be buying an M235i, I am sure that the M2 will impact the M235i sales, I am also sure BMW knows that. There will still be a market for the M235i as stated above the all wheel drive option will keep it relevant in some markets and not everyone wants an M car. I suspect that BMW will keep volume low enough on the M2 to ensure that there is space for all of the 2 series models.

[firestarter2]

Originally Posted by pruettfan

If the M2 didn't exist I would be buying an M235i, I am sure that the M2 will impact the M235i sales, I am also sure BMW knows that. There will still be a market for the M235i as stated above the all wheel drive option will keep it relevant in some markets and not everyone wants an M car. I suspect that BMW will keep volume low enough on the M2 to ensure that there is space for all of the 2 series models.

Im curious about this.. If I dont get a M2 most likely(pretty much guaranteed) I will go outside of the brand, there is really no scenario id buy a M235i. I think if BMW limits the run of the M2 they will cost them selves sales. Now you have potential new BMW customers dealing with waiting lists and mark ups not exactly the kinds of things that build brand loyalty. In fact the exact things that can potentially lose you customers for years. In my experience the shorter the buying experience the better lol

In fact the limited availability of the M2 has me looking actively at cars I wasn't considering before, including the M3/M4 but why would I pay more for a car that gives me nothing I want? If anything the M2 makes me LESS likely to buy a M3/M4.

[cole3488]

Originally Posted by firestarter2

Im curious about this.. If I dont get a M2 most likely(pretty much guaranteed) I will go outside of the brand, there is really no scenario id buy a M235i. I think if BMW limits the run of the M2 they will cost them selves sales. Now you have potential new BMW customers dealing with waiting lists and mark ups not exactly the kinds of things that build brand loyalty. In fact the exact things that can potentially lose you customers for years. In my experience the shorter the buying experience the better lol

In fact the limited availability of the M2 has me looking actively at cars I wasn't considering before, including the M3/M4 but why would I pay more for a car that gives me nothing I want? If anything the M2 makes me LESS likely to buy a M3/M4.

Have you driven a rwd 6mt 235?

[firestarter2]

Originally Posted by cole3488

Have you driven a rwd 6mt 235?

Nope I really dislike the way the car looks. Which I know sounds dumb ... but flares.. ANNDDDD the existence of the M2 means id never buy a M235i.... since they are so close in price. At 50K+ I dont see the value in it.

[cole3488]

Originally Posted by firestarter2

Nope I really dislike the way the car looks. Which I know sounds dumb ... but flares.. ANNDDDD the existence of the M2 means id never buy a M235i.... since they are so close in price. At 50K+ I dont see the value in it.

I would bet that you don't buy a m2. What do you currently drive?

[firestarter2]

Originally Posted by cole3488

I would bet that you don't buy a m2. What do you currently drive?

LS430, Trail Blazer SS, and a twin turbo is300. I may not. I have 2 deposits down it really depends on the timing everything i am interest in new is marked up like the M2

[2M]

I personally don't think that M2 sales will hurt M235i sales that much. I was at the autoshow last month, and when I was near the M2 and M235i people had no idea what they were talking about. I heard phrases such as "this is the new model and this is the old one" and "its basically the same but this one is awd" and "this one has a sunroof and this one doesn't" . That just solidifies the theory that the M2 is a loss leader. Pulls in potential buyers, but due to limited options and colors, the buyers could switch down to an M235 or move up to an M3/M4. The M2 is mostly a nice little treat for us enthusiasts who could appreciate the car for what it is.

[Lucky13]

OK everyone needs to take a deep breath and get your ego out of the discussion. The M2 will not hurt sales it will help sales period. Ytd thru March the 2 series was up 58% without the M2, April sales ytd are now up 64%. When one of the biggest dealers in the country ((Hendrick in Charlotte) has zero jnventory and my local dealer has zero inventory please tell me how it is hurting or is going to hurt M235/M240 sales? At best BMW will ship a couple thousand maybe if lucky. They priced it to create buzz not to sell a lot because they won't build a lot.

[Aloha Joe]

Originally Posted by firestarter2

Im curious about this.. If I dont get a M2 most likely(pretty much guaranteed) I will go outside of the brand, there is really no scenario id buy a M235i. I think if BMW limits the run of the M2 they will cost them selves sales. Now you have potential new BMW customers dealing with waiting lists and mark ups not exactly the kinds of things that build brand loyalty. In fact the exact things that can potentially lose you customers for years. In my experience the shorter the buying experience the better lol

In fact the limited availability of the M2 has me looking actively at cars I wasn't considering before, including the M3/M4 but why would I pay more for a car that gives me nothing I want? If anything the M2 makes me LESS likely to buy a M3/M4.

While we may be the minority, I'm like firestarter and will definitely not be switching into a M235i or M3/4. As I posted in another thread on here, I'm on a waitlist, and if my wait is realistically to the middle of next year, it will be a 718 Cayman for me.

[135iDCT]

few months and it will be M240i with 340hp B58 engine, and i think it will hurt the M2 Sales!

[firestarter2]

Originally Posted by 135iDCT

few months and it will be M240i with 340hp B58 engine, and i think it will hurt the M2 Sales!

No flares, no thank you..

[deemo319]

Originally Posted by dammitcubs

I don't think so because the amount of M2s vs M235 will be minimal. And most people who want to M2 will either have to cough up alot of money or wait the waiting list.

people who buy M235 will be a different demographic and the deals they can get for that car will be good.

BMW has some smart people too....that's why they have been around. I'm going to assume they did their research..

The M235i has a different psychographic group to the M2 buyer, but the demographic group is very similar.

[2M]

Originally Posted by 135iDCT

few months and it will be M240i with 340hp B58 engine, and i think it will hurt the M2 Sales!

Do you guys know what would really suck? if they throw in an upgraded B58 in the 2018 M2

[DS_BMW]

Originally Posted by 2M

Do you guys know what would really suck? if they throw in an upgraded B58 in the 2018 M2

Doubt that but the M2 should of came with the B58 from the beginning.

[AlpsRider]

Originally Posted by firestarter2

Nope I really dislike the way the car looks. Which I know sounds dumb ... but flares.. ANNDDDD the existence of the M2 means id never buy a M235i.... since they are so close in price. At 50K+ I dont see the value in it.

I see your point and I would agree that I'd rather have the chassis of the M2. However, I was very thorough in my evaluation of the available competition to the M235i when I bought mine. I didn't find anything out there that was as fun to drive, had the options that I wanted, and yes, the image I wanted. You could say used Cayman S etc., well that's a 2 seater, I'm talking about a brand new car/warranty/service configured exactly to my specifications, nobody farted in the seats but me. So yes, by all means get an M2, but it doesn't mean that the M235 is now a crap car...at all. It is still better than the other competition when you compare apples to apples in my opinion. Go ahead, name some new 2 door 4 seater coupes in that price range that competes (besides the M2).

[firestarter2]

Originally Posted by AlpsRider

I see your point and I would agree that I'd rather have the chassis of the M2. However, I was very thorough in my evaluation of the available competition to the M235i when I bought mine. I didn't find anything out there that was as fun to drive, had the options that I wanted, and yes, the image I wanted. You could say used Cayman S etc., well that's a 2 seater, I'm talking about a brand new car/warranty/service configured exactly to my specifications, nobody farted in the seats but me. So yes, by all means get an M2, but it doesn't mean that the M235 is now a crap car...at all. It is still better than the other competition when you compare apples to apples in my opinion. Go ahead, name some new 2 door 4 seater coupes in that price range that competes (besides the M2).

I agree none do, you made a good choice. I am odd I want small and fast, or big luxurious as fast. The M2 is the only new car I am considering everything else is used (911,cayman,s6,s8) the M2 is kinda of the perfect car for me..

[Aloha Joe]

Originally Posted by Lucky13

OK everyone needs to take a deep breath and get your ego out of the discussion. The M2 will not hurt sales it will help sales period. Ytd thru March the 2 series was up 58% without the M2, April sales ytd are now up 64%. When one of the biggest dealers in the country ((Hendrick in Charlotte) has zero jnventory and my local dealer has zero inventory please tell me how it is hurting or is going to hurt M235/M240 sales? At best BMW will ship a couple thousand maybe if lucky. They priced it to create buzz not to sell a lot because they won't build a lot.

Originally Posted by AlpsRider

I think that in the beginning of M235i/228i production they were difficult to get and in some places were like the M2 in that they were commanding high prices. Over time the production increased and the supply side is to the point now that they are readily available. I have three 2ers in my neighborhood but I still don't see that many on the road. The demographics on these forums are different than the general public and given the options, I doubt the 2er will be forgotten. Believe it or not some people don't want flared fenders and really big wheels and tires...of course I do, but that is beside the point.

Lucky, I think AlpsRider has got the answer for the increase in sales. It's interesting that the dealer you mention has no M235i's and my dealer now has 11 available (on my initial post 4 days ago, it was 9). Throughout the course of 2015, my dealer would usually have 0, 1 and at the most 2 in stock.

While the M2 may not affect M235i sales too much, not having enough M2's produced might mean BMW has left money on the table. My CA seems like a straight shooter, and he informed me that I have moved up the wait list due to a couple people dropping out. He doesn't know the exact reason why they dropped out, as they weren't his personal customers, but was told by his fellow CA's that those customers didn't end up buying any BMW.

As a business owner, I understand that a done deal is better than a potential deal. If BMW can produce M2's just slightly below demand, they'll have a lot of done deals, still have a demand and no excess inventory. Produce it way below demand and those done deals now become potential deals.

[cole3488]

Originally Posted by Aloha Joe

Lucky, I think AlpsRider has got the answer for the increase in sales. It's interesting that the dealer you mention has no M235i's and my dealer now has 11 available (on my initial post 4 days ago, it was 9). Throughout the course of 2015, my dealer would usually have 0, 1 and at the most 2 in stock.

While the M2 may not affect M235i sales too much, not having enough M2's produced might mean BMW has left money on the table. My CA seems like a straight shooter, and he informed me that I have moved up the wait list due to a couple people dropping out. He doesn't know the exact reason why they dropped out, as they weren't his personal customers, but was told by his fellow CA's that those customers didn't end up buying any BMW.

As a business owner, I understand that a done deal is better than a potential deal. If BMW can produce M2's just slightly below demand, they'll have a lot of done deals, still have a demand and no excess inventory. Produce it way below demand and those done deals now become potential deals.

I think in the short term the m2 wont hurt the 235 sales at all, but when it comes to depreciation I believe it will kill it. you will be able to get the 235s for a steal here in a year or two. I believe bmw did a really smart job on the positioning of the m2. a bunch of people who didn't want to wait bought 235s and then when the car came out the people who still didn't want to wait and have more options got and m3/4.

[Adem1534]

Originally Posted by 2M

Do you guys know what would really suck? if they throw in an upgraded B58 in the 2018 M2

Originally Posted by DS_BMW

Doubt that but the M2 should of came with the B58 from the beginning.

I don't think M has ever done that in the passed. If they do, then that would be something that would make me legitimately pissed off.

[AlpsRider]

Uh oh, the plot thickens with the announcement of the M240i. Boom.
http://www.2addicts.com/forums/showthread.php?t=1262859

[Bobdaxx]

yah ED of a 240i will be what? My 235i was only 40k ed.

[srleadjb]

Originally Posted by gmzanatta

Think about it like this:

- "Oh, I would love an M2"

- Goes to dealership, is told the wait is 12-18 months

- "Well, I guess the M235i does meet most if not all of my needs"

- Drives M235i off the lot

My guess is that, if anything, the M2 will help move people into thte M235i more than the M3/M4.

Yes, this was me exactly! Don't want M3 or M4. Will drive 235 until I can get an M2 or something else peeks my interest more.