[M2 CSL]

Originally Posted by akkando

To be fair it's odd to make a post asking what tech and what innovations BMW is bringing to M? Then moments later say the tech and innovations don't make a great M car and that removing them is arguably what makes something like the M2 great. Pick a side.

I'd say that's fair.

[chmura]

Originally Posted by JustChris

M4CS is your guide...

Not really since the m2 CS has a potential for a manual transmission.

[stefan]

Originally Posted by chmura

Not really since the m2 CS has a potential for a manual transmission.

No more than the M4 CS did.

[akkando]

Originally Posted by stefan

No more than the M4 CS did.

The MT take rate on the M2 probably gives it a better chance for a MT on the M2 CS. Also perhaps MT ONLY and not DCT could be seen as a way to reduce performance on the M2 CS if it's too close to the M4 DCT.

[Artemis]

Originally Posted by M2 CSL

I can see them going for a M2 CSL first.
Doing everything they can to save a dying M brand image with a layup like a M2 CSL. The base M2 has been well received and it should be hard for them to mess it up.

Originally Posted by SCOTT26

What dying M brand image?

M2 CSL, think again.

For example in 2012 the AMG R&D chief Tobias Moers referred to the BMW 1M as benchmark within its league when talking about the Merc A45 AMG prototype:

"But I soon realized that this was a unique opportunity to rewrite the rules, to set new standards and eclipse the competition. From day one, I wanted this car to better the BMW 1-series M coupe." (http://www.automobilemag.com/reviews...amg_prototype/)

The BMW 1M heritage is still highly acclaimed and - unlike the Mercedes A45 AMG - its (resale) value still pretty strong.

The M2 also got very good press and sales exceeded expectations.

It looks that the M2 CS won't be a 'flatliner' either.

[Artemis]

Originally Posted by akkando

The MT take rate on the M2 probably gives it a better chance for a MT on the M2 CS. Also perhaps MT ONLY and not DCT could be seen as a way to reduce performance on the M2 CS if it's too close to the M4 DCT.

I would be very surprised if BMW would decide to offer the M2 CS as M-DCT only. IMHO this is will be an aspect where the analogy with the M4 CS won't match.

[Karmic Man]

Originally Posted by stefan

No more than the M4 CS did.

A forum member already spoken to the M boss about it. Right? M boss thinks the M2 series are positioned in the 'fun car' category where as the M4 is better suited with the DCT. He drove a LBB M2 himself.

[Karmic Man]

The M image is not dying in the sense that they have no innovative ideas or products as they were innovative with the technologies applied on the M3/M4.

It's just that competition (AMG, Audi RS, Alfa...etc) has caught up in the ultra high performance sport saloon sector.

That's why I think it is alright for the M2 CS to have better performance than the regular M3/M4 as the CS range should have the best performance at the moment when they are first introduced. Then newer regular models will have equal or more performance then the older CS cars and then newer CS cars will come out to top that.

Porsche and Ferrari had been using this approach for the last 10 years at least.

[Artemis]

Originally Posted by Karmic Man

The M image is not dying in the sense that they have no innovative ideas or products as they were innovative with the technologies applied on the M3/M4.
It's just that competition (AMG, Audi RS, Alfa...etc) has caught up in the ultra high performance sport saloon sector.
That's why I think it is alright for the M2 CS to have better performance than the regular M3/M4 as the CS range should have the best performance at the moment when they are first introduced. Then newer regular models will have equal or more performance then the older CS cars and then newer CS cars will come out to top that.
Porsche and Ferrari had been using this approach for the last 10 years at least.

As I already commented a few times before: offering the M2 CS with a manual transmission too will also offer BMW M a(nother) unique selling point over the competition.

"M2 Competition" test mules: a healthy mix of M-DCT and 6MT = credible tell-tale sign that 6MT will be offered.

[kiysersosae]

I think it will come with a manual. I belive the only reason the m4 CS doesn't is because of what it's built for and the torque it puts down, the M2 will be no where near that limit.

[MR.]

Manual yes, but the freaking name of that thing... Let's hope it is M2 CS, and not competition or competition pack.

It becomes such a mess if it is something with competition in the name. You would not like to see this...

M2 - M2 Competition - M2 CSL

M4 - M4 Competition Pack - M4 CS - M4 GTS

What a mess that would be...

MR

[ChrisK]

Another Sunset Orange attempt.

Which looks the closest? I think #3

http://f87.bimmerpost.com/forums/sho...372982&page=36

[ChrisK]

Silver attempt

[M2Nebula]

Thank you! They both look good, tough choice. Honestly can say though that the longer I live with my LBB the more I like it and wouldn't change.

[ChrisK]

Originally Posted by M2Nebula

Thank you! They both look good, tough choice. Honestly can say though that the longer I live with my LBB the more I like it and wouldn't change.

It's funny you say that. My favorite color is Orange, but IF I get a CS - I think it will be LBB LOL.

[M2LA]

what are you basing these off of, how accurate is this supposed to be?

[ChrisK]

Originally Posted by M2LA

what are you basing these off of, how accurate is this supposed to be?

Just photoshops I did of my LBB M2. Having some fun!

The silver - I have no idea what it will look like.
The Sunset Orange - l posted a comparison (http://f87.bimmerpost.com/forums/sho...&postcount=774)

[M2LA]

Originally Posted by ChrisK

Just photoshops I did of my LBB M2. Having some fun!

The silver - I have no idea what it will look like.
The Sunset Orange - l posted a comparison (http://f87.bimmerpost.com/forums/sho...&postcount=774)

got it, now I remember your previous post. so today I just plunked down a whooping $1K for an orange at msrp - 1st in line at this very small dealer that is apparently under the radar. anyhow now I am wondering if the orange will be hard to live with, resale value, etc. if there is no manual I am out anyhow + the fact that I really love what I have so I am good with whatever happens. thank you for your skills, have a good week

[BishUK]

I really like the silver render, stick a carbon roof, mirror caps and a front splitter on that and that is one good looking car. It is all a shot in the dark re: Hockenhiem silver at the mo as nobody has seen it but it is all good fun!

Undecided re the orange renders

[Karmic Man]

That rendering in silver looks very nice.

I have never liked the colour sunburnt orange. I think it looks too brownish for my taste and too luxurious on a sports model.

For such a sporty car a lighter Orange (M3 GTS?) would look awesome.

[Artemis]

Originally Posted by ingmv

Hello,
here are some VIN number M2 F87 CS with S55 engine

Thanks for the info.

If you run your set of VINs through a public BMW VIN decoder and you decrease/increase the last numbers in a logical order, the following series of 16 USA-spec "M2 Competition" test mules shows up:

M2 Competition - USA (2U73) | F87 (MUE) | COUPE | LL (= LHD) | S55 | 3.0 | 302 kW (= 410 hp [metric] or 405 hp [mech]):

• WBS2U7C53KVB08868 = M-DCT (BSM) (Oct 12, 2016)
• WBS2U7C55KVB08869 = M-DCT (BSM) (Oct 14, 2016)
• WBS2U7C51KVB08870 = M-DCT (BSM) (Oct 17, 2016)
• WBS2U7C53KVB08871 = M-DCT (BSM) (Oct 18, 2016)
• WBS2U7C55KVB08872 = 6MT (BSM) (Oct 18, 2016)
• WBS2U7C57KVB08873 = M-DCT (BSM) (Oct 18, 2016)
• WBS2U7C59KVB08874 = M-DCT (BSM) (Apr 21, 2017)
• WBS2U7C50KVB08875 = 6MT (LBB) (Apr 21, 2017)
• WBS2U7C52KVB08876 = 6MT (AW) (Apr 28, 2017)
• WBS2U7C54KVB08877 = 6MT (BSM) (Apr 26, 2017)
• WBS2U7C56KVB08878 = M-DCT (BSM+orange) (Apr 26, 2017)
• WBS2U7C58KVB08879 = M-DCT (BSM) (Apr 27, 2017)
• WBS2U7C54KVB08880 = 6MT (BSM) (Apr 27, 2017)
• WBS2U7C56KVB08881 = M-DCT (AW) (Jul 13, 2017)
• WBS2U7C58KVB08882 = M-DCT (AW) (Sep 21, 2017)
• WBS2U7C5XKVB08883 = 6MT (HS) (no production date indicated yet)

2U71 = M2 Competition - EUR - LHD | 2U72 = M2 Competition - EUR - RHD | 2U73 = M2 Competition - USA - LHD

Couple of points to note when taking a closer look at those USA-spec VINs:

• manual Transmission = stock | M-DCT = optional (option code 2MK)
• 437M black 19" wheels (base M2) = stock (code 2VZ)
• M Seat Belts (black with ///M stripes) = stock (code 4GQ)
• interior trim high gloss black with chrome trim finishers = stock (code 4LU)
• optional M Sport Brakes (option code 2NH)
• optional Park Distance Control front and rear (option code 508)
• optional M Sports Seat (option code 712)
• optional M Driver's Package (option code 7ME)
• almost all base M2 options available
• no retractable armrest front (base M2 code 4AE)
• backseats got no folding headrests (base M2 code 5DC)

VIN build sheets of the two last VINs of that USA-spec series:

WBS2U7C58KVB08882 (M-DCT - Alpine White) (Sep 21, 2017):




WBS2U7C5XKVB08883 (6MT - Hockenheim Silver Metallic) (no production date indicated yet):

[Chapman1977]

Now if we could only take a look at those "Sportsitze" ..!