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      10-04-2024, 11:57 PM   #793
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Hey! Unfortunately I did not grab any logs during the session, which was an oversight on my end. That said, I have been monitoring my LPFP over the course of the tuning process and have yet to see a drop in pressure. Still, will be upgrading it soon to have peace of mind and some overhead. As for the turbo size, I honestly have no idea so I apologize. I would assume its similar to a PS2 in terms of compressor and turbine wheel sizing though. I was tuned by Cary Jordan and below is a full mod list for reference.

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Hey! Unfortunately I did not grab any logs during the session, which was an oversight on my end. That said, I have been monitoring my LPFP over the course of the tuning process and have yet to see a drop in pressure. Still, will be upgrading it soon to have peace of mind and some overhead. As for the turbo size, I honestly have no idea so I apologize. I would assume its similar to a PS2 in terms of compressor and turbine wheel sizing though. I was tuned by Cary Jordan and below is a full mod list for reference.

Pure600
Pure Inlet
TurboSmart VR11 Dual Port
Dorch Stage 2
Stock EU6 Injectors
MAD 200 Cell DP
MAD 7 Inch Intercooler
3.5 bar TMAP
VRSF Charge Pipe
ARM TIC pipe
CSF oil cooler
CTS Intake
How are you monitoring LPFP pressure?
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How are you monitoring LPFP pressure?
You can get a canbus integrated controller that has an aux input for an LPFP sensor.

So for BM3 that would be their new flexray integration board - still not available for F series yet. Then you would use their custom rom v2 to pick up the new sensor address and it would display that in the guages or in data logs.

For MHD the same principle as above but with motive reflex.

For ecutek, it would again be the same principles above with motive reflex.
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Hey! Unfortunately I did not grab any logs during the session, which was an oversight on my end. That said, I have been monitoring my LPFP over the course of the tuning process and have yet to see a drop in pressure. Still, will be upgrading it soon to have peace of mind and some overhead. As for the turbo size, I honestly have no idea so I apologize. I would assume its similar to a PS2 in terms of compressor and turbine wheel sizing though. I was tuned by Cary Jordan and below is a full mod list for reference.

Pure600
Pure Inlet
TurboSmart VR11 Dual Port
Dorch Stage 2
Stock EU6 Injectors
MAD 200 Cell DP
MAD 7 Inch Intercooler
3.5 bar TMAP
VRSF Charge Pipe
ARM TIC pipe
CSF oil cooler
CTS Intake
Thanks for the info, I appreciate it but something is off here, get to know your hardware and check your logs I'd say.
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Thanks for the info, I appreciate it but something is off here, get to know your hardware and check your logs I'd say.
I'm curious what is seeming off to you? Something in the dyno graph, or just the fact of not having a log from the dyno pull?
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Impressive numbers, what’s the size of the pure600?
58mm compressor inducer from another forum post.
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M2MANDU Awesome stuff man! Do you think you could get us a 3rd or 4th gear WOT log? I'm curious to see how your boost curve is setup!
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Hi Everyone,

Sorry for the delay on the dyno results for the Pure600. Had some things come up but was finally able to make it to EAS. Big thanks to those guys for letting me use their dyno.

Final number were 585whp and 572wtq. Car was running an E60 blend, and for fueling I am just on a Dorch S2. Stock LPFP and EU6 injectors (albeit brand new). Green pull is in 5th gear, the rest are in 4th gear. Honestly, I was expecting low 500whp but to my surprise, this thing was making some jam! Boost pressure was at 24 psi tapering to 22ish on the upper rpm range. Hope this give some insight on the new Pure600 for those who are interested!
Torque curve looks similar to my old BW 7670 EFR setup. This should be a riot to drive and a welcomed addition to the N55 turbo upgrade line up especially since it's stock location. Probably the best new option in the last few years as I predicted.
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Thanks for the info, I appreciate it but something is off here, get to know your hardware and check your logs I'd say.
Probably because it's a tune from Cary Jordan.
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M2MANDU Awesome stuff man! Do you think you could get us a 3rd or 4th gear WOT log? I'm curious to see how your boost curve is setup!
Here is a log for you and anyone interested! This was my last log before I hit the dyno and also post tune finalization. 3rd gear as well.

https://www.bootmod3.net/log?id=66e1...69b7682e629d24
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Lots of sizing questions. Photo shows wheel sizes from Pure on their three newest turbos.
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Hey! Unfortunately I did not grab any logs during the session, which was an oversight on my end. That said, I have been monitoring my LPFP over the course of the tuning process and have yet to see a drop in pressure. Still, will be upgrading it soon to have peace of mind and some overhead. As for the turbo size, I honestly have no idea so I apologize. I would assume its similar to a PS2 in terms of compressor and turbine wheel sizing though. I was tuned by Cary Jordan and below is a full mod list for reference.

Pure600
Pure Inlet
TurboSmart VR11 Dual Port
Dorch Stage 2
Stock EU6 Injectors
MAD 200 Cell DP
MAD 7 Inch Intercooler
3.5 bar TMAP
VRSF Charge Pipe
ARM TIC pipe
CSF oil cooler
CTS Intake
Great dyno results! Congrats! Wow you guys pushed the stock LPFP and the stock fuel injectors much further than I thought they could go. Never thought they’d make it to 585whp using E60. Guessing that you might be right at the flow limits for both.
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Here is a log for you and anyone interested! This was my last log before I hit the dyno and also post tune finalization. 3rd gear as well.

https://www.bootmod3.net/log?id=66e1...69b7682e629d24
Thanks for sharing this! If you get another post-tune, would appreciate you sharing that!
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These results are awesome. however, im confused on how compared to any other hybrid/big turbo setup this car is almost hitting 600whp. This pure600 isnt the largest turbo around and its doing this on reasonable boost of around 22psi and baby timing still in the single digits. i just dont get why its doing it so effortlessly compared to even a pure750 at these boost/timing levels.

A pure 750 on this boost/timing hasn't made this power either. Hell, even a 6 into 1 manifold g30-770 full frame hasn't on 22psi with this baby timing on any motor. considering, its also on e60 and the log shows 9.5 degrees of timing which is no where near MBT. We know there is more to still gain, what is the hypothetical power this turbo will make if we just upped it to 15 degrees? more than a p750 has ever made on 30ish psi?

not adding up.

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further comment on this, is this done on a factory catback exhaust? now another bottleneck obviously is that there is still a 200cell that can restrict power. On a factory M2 catback you will notice around the flex pipe it neck downs to a tiny 2.5 inch ish exhaust causing a major restriction. typically, you would want a single 3.5 at this power or twin 2.5 exhaust. All these areas are still untouched which still rings alarm bells to me for this power level and lack of effort from this turbo
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These results are awesome. however, im confused on how compared to any other hybrid/big turbo setup this car is almost hitting 600whp. This pure600 isnt the largest turbo around and its doing this on reasonable boost of around 22psi and baby timing still in the single digits. i just dont get why its doing it so effortlessly compared to even a pure750 at these boost/timing levels.

A pure 750 on this boost/timing hasn't made this power either. Hell, even a 6 into 1 manifold g30-770 full frame hasn't on 22psi with this baby timing on any motor. considering, its also on e60 and the log shows 9.5 degrees of timing which is no where near MBT. We know there is more to still gain, what is the hypothetical power this turbo will make if we just upped it to 15 degrees? more than a p750 has ever made on 30ish psi?

not adding up.
The log shared was not the final tune, Less timing and boost
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just....... check out the actual load
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The log shared was not the final tune, Less timing and boost
Well we can’t say less boost when the post states that the boost was 24 psi tapering down to 22 psi just like the log shows

Since I love data and comparison, here’s something about the previous topic of pure600 and ‘dyno claims’

Pure600 (58/55mm size)
586whp
22psi (at peak power on dyno)
9.5 degrees timing (at peak)
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https://www.bootmod3.net/log?id=66e1f80a2169b7682e629d24

Pure750 (62/62mm size)
645whp
29psi (at peak power on dyno)
15 degree timing (peak power)
Log:
https://bootmod3.net/log?id=650c76e2ae729b2d3b96afb4

Figure out what makes these only 60whp apart
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Hi everyone, just dropping some more info. The log I posted was the tune I used on the dyno. Additionally, I am running an MPE. I really wish I took some logs during the dyno session, so I really do apologize for that oversight. That said, maybe it was because there was just more load in 5th gear on the dyno. I've only ever logged in 3rd gear on the street, so anything past that is really unknown to me.

That said, I just wanted to provide some insight. I can try and grab some 4th or 5th gear logs, I just need to find the time and space. Trust me, I had a hard time believing the numbers as well as I was only shooting for 500whp. But that's just what it showed after my session and I was just happy to be able to drive my car back home.

That said, I do really like the turbo. More importantly, its just made the car much more enjoyable to drive.
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Okay I do appreciate all these extra details and thank you for providing all this data. A higher gear log will be awesome cause then we can see what it actually boosts to when the load request and target actually meet. The power is impressive nonetheless, it just would’ve done it at a higher boost on the dyno. Still again impressive for low timing. Thanks for your support
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Okay I do appreciate all these extra details and thank you for providing all this data. A higher gear log will be awesome cause then we can see what it actually boosts to when the load request and target actually meet. The power is impressive nonetheless, it just would’ve done it at a higher boost on the dyno. Still again impressive for low timing. Thanks for your support
Can you tell us more about what you're looking at/for with those two parameters? I am guessing you want to see the actual at the target and then look at other parameters...which ones and why/what does it tell you? This is a piece that I haven't studied much about.
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Can you tell us more about what you're looking at/for with those two parameters? I am guessing you want to see the actual at the target and then look at other parameters...which ones and why/what does it tell you? This is a piece that I haven't studied much about.
ill quote this from a website that explain it perfectly however its 'Load is an approximation of your motor’s torque output calculated using the the amount of airflow entering the motor, engine RPM, and a scaling constant'

its why in hotter weather a load based tune will request higher load to make up for the lost power from the additional heat. in colder weather, an engine is more efficient so it will lower boost to meet the requested load.

it will technically try and aim for the torque (power is derived from torque) that is requested. however, when we go to a larger turbo, then spool becomes an issue where the tune will request a certain load but the turbo is too large to even get to the PSI that the tune requires in too low of a gear. its like trying to hit full boost in first gear, it will never happen.

in this 3rd gear log before the dyno, when the car does meet the requested load, it made 24psi. however, if the car met the requested load (torque) all the way to redline like the tune is requesting, it will actually require more boost than at the lower rpm as its harder for torque to maintain to redline.

my best guess is the tune is actually over 24psi on the higher gears. but, this is just my best educated guess and im always happy for more information to be provided by others where we can discuss this further
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